The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	The UK is only asking to trade under the same conditions as Canada and South Korea. It is the EU that is making unreasonable demands by asking for more control. The UK will not accept this.

You are over simplifying!

The Canada deal is not a "zero-tariff, zero-quota" deal, it has very little in it about financial services, which is very important for the UK economy and it does not remove border checks.

As to the South Korea deal, one major issue would be the “rules of origin” clause.
For instance, for cars, based on value-added, a car will be deemed to have “originated” in the EU if no more than 45% of the value of the inputs have been imported from outside South Korea or the EU to manufacture it. Currently, the percentage of UK components in British-built cars is 41% on average, which is short of meeting the required 55% of local content required for cars to be exported to the EU as UK cars.

These deals will need to be carefully studied to ensure they meet UK requirements.

[CodPeace]

	Quote:	amogles
	I just received an email from a German campaigning organization asking me to sign a petition because apparently the EU is considering lifting the ban on chlorinated chickens. Because of some US trade deal that is in the pipeline. So interesting to see the same argument used both ways.

And what George Eustice actually said was:
“What I’m saying is we won’t make any moves on our standards, we’ve got a clear position in this country that it is illegal to sell chlorine-washed chicken, illegal to sell beef treated with hormones, we have no plans to change those things,” he said.

just a play on words - eg not chlorine but something else ...

Tough times ahead for farmers - yes, even those who voted for it.

No cheap labour, or labour at all and now this, as expected, EU subsidies will not be fully replaced

''Payments will be reduced by 5-25% next year for farmers in England, the government has confirmed.''

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	Tough times ahead for farmers - yes, even those who voted for it. No cheap labour, or labour at all and now this, as expected, EU subsidies will not be fully replaced ''Payments will be reduced by 5-25% next year for farmers in England, the government has confirmed.''

Thereby making a tough profession even harder. Terrible.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:
	Thereby making a tough profession even harder. Terrible.

Along with national security, food security is an absolute basic requirement of any government.

I'm beginning to think this government won't last the year. They're behaving like a bunch of amateurs.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Along with national security, food security is an absolute basic requirement of any government. I'm beginning to think this government won't last the year. They're behaving like a bunch of amateurs.

Not a surprise. They're elitist, power hungry professional politicians. It's all about the spin and they spinned good and won. Unless in the same income bracket / cocoon of connectedness, everyone else lost.

In my opinion. Obvs.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:
	Tough times ahead for farmers - yes, even those who voted for it. No cheap labour, or labour at all and now this, as expected, EU subsidies will not be fully replaced ''Payments will be reduced by 5-25% next year for farmers in England, the government has confirmed.''

I always wondered why Farmers should be subsidised, they goy very rich over the last 40 years.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I'm beginning to think this government won't last the year. They're behaving like a bunch of amateurs.

I suspect they will be here for a lot longer than a year, they have done an awful lot very quickly which is what they were elected to do.
Remember you did not vote for them or BREXIT so I don't expect you to like or approve of anything they do.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I always wondered why Farmers should be subsidised, they goy very rich over the last 40 years.

Some may have, probably descendents of the "gentlemen farmers etc". For most it's back breaking work for scant reward.

Average salary is 32500.

So you're either trolling again or showing ignorance of the facts.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1582712092560

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Along with national security, food security is an absolute basic requirement of any government. I'm beginning to think this government won't last the year. They're behaving like a bunch of amateurs.

Indeed, even Iain Duncan Smith said a couple of days ago that the Goverment has to find the best Lawyers and experienced negotiators to help- as there is real trouble ahead. No doodoo Sherlock!

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I suspect they will be here for a lot longer than a year, they have done an awful lot very quickly which is what they were elected to do.

So what have the ACTUALLY done, lets see the list of non blowing hot air things they have achieved so far????

About as much as the new housing that was promised several years ago.

As Andrew Neil said to the lovely sunny Truss when she said, squirming, that she could not remember. He replied 'it is very easy indeed to remember- that is zero, none whatsoever'- simples.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I always wondered why Farmers should be subsidised, they goy very rich over the last 40 years.

Because of national food security. If every farmer specialised in the product that earns them the most profit, the country would rapidly run out of essentials, such as animal feed, etc, so the government offers them an enducement to produce what the country as a whole requires rather than the most personally profitable product. You must have even a rudimentary knowledge of this from school, or did you not study crop rotation, etc, in history?

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I suspect they will be here for a lot longer than a year, they have done an awful lot very quickly which is what they were elected to do.

Such as?

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Remember you did not vote for them or BREXIT so I don't expect you to like or approve of anything they do.

I no way does that mean I want the country to fail. As I've only voted for one elected government, I can assure you that I'm more than accustomed to looking for the positives but noting the negatives.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Hopefully there will be no deal & a hard BREXIT, after a couple of years the EU may soften

So you walk away from a deal to covering 45% - 48% of your trade, no access for financial services and tariffs on all exports to the EU and if we believe in Boris, they will set WTO tariffs on imports to zero... and you expect they will soften.....


In such circumstances why would any other WTO member be in a hurry to negotiate a trade deal with the UK while they can have zero tariffs on their exports to the UK, while imposing tariffs on UK imports. So long as they UK and the EU can not come to an agreement, they can enjoy the free ride.

[Blueangel]

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	About as much as the new housing that was promised several years ago.

It's finally begun...


https://twitter.com/MrGeorgeClarke/s...54053031890945

https://www.instagram.com/p/B88UOf-l...=16yi4c8ikauyt

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	So what have the ACTUALLY done, lets see the list of non blowing hot air things they have achieved so far????

I guess you did not notice UK left the EU, something that the last government was unable to achieve. Don't worry HARD BREXIT here we come.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Some may have, probably descendents of the "gentlemen farmers etc". For most it's back breaking work for scant reward. Average salary is 32500. So you're either trolling again or showing ignorance of the facts. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1582712092560

32,500 is substantially above average earnings in farming areas or even the country as a whole, you would seem to be trolling as usual
The capital values of farms have increased due to subsidies, there are also huge IHT exemptions......

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	roegner
	Well, that comes when you leave. EU is probably making reasonable demands, only the UK has a different view. So only a question of perspective.

If you consider it reasonable for the EU to demand access to UK fishing waters and a role for the ECJ in making rulings. How about we turn it around, would it be reasonable for the UK to demand access to EU waters, and a role for British judges on the continent?

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	Why do you think that the UK is now in a position to demand anything? We're transitioning out, weakened.

The UK isn't demanding anything. And the UK is in a stronger position in these negotiations than you (and the EU it seems) realise. The UK government are aware of the consequences of trading on WTA rules and have stated they're happy to accept it. If this happens and the EU decide to take a hard line at the borders then as I have already said, mutual economic damage WILL ensue. The advantage the UK government has over the whole of the EU is that they don't have to face voters for another 5 years. The key EU countries on the other hand have elections much sooner, and will be forced to go to the ballot box amidst economic turmoil and with the rising tide of populism that we've seen across the continent.

Secondly, free of the shackles of EU regulation and as a sovereign nation, the UK will be far better positioned to act to alleviate any disruption that takes place.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I'm beginning to think this government won't last the year.

That’s cute