The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Full Circle]

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	Because they are building the new houses, wo/manning our hospitals and care homes, picking our fruit and veg, working in the slaughter houses and cattle sheds, keeping our tourism industry afloat, be it in Hôtels or restaurants, etc, etc. And paying taxes, which should go to provide the necessary housing, NHS and education staff, etc, etc, etc.

Keeping wages and living standards down is what they're doing. Some immigrants pay more into the system than they take out, many others don't. Hence the new points-based immigration system.

As I previously said, with all the climate change problems I don't think an ever-growing population is actually desirable anyway.

[Blueangel]

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	Brexit question: Has anyone heard what the UK plans to do about air passenger rights? For the moment if I transit through the UK on my way to the States, I'm under EU air passenger rights when it comes to delays and cancellations. But CH is not in the EU and the UK won't be, so I'm not sure they'll still apply similar rules when the time comes...

This article was updated this month and may help you...

Please see Section 2 - Flight delay compensation rules won't change – EU rules have been written into UK law.

If you're on a flight to or from an EU country which – due to the airline's fault – is delayed by more than three hours or your flight is cancelled altogether, under EU rule 261/2004 you're entitled to between £110 and £540 per person in compensation. Full details on this can be found in our Flight Delays guide.

This hasn't changed as a result of Brexit, as EU rules will continue to apply to the UK until the end of the year. But even after that, the Government insists flight delay compensation rules will remain the same, as it's written EU261 into UK law.

We've put various scenarios under which flights would currently be covered under EU261 to the Department for Transport – such as if you flew from the US (a non-EU country) to France (an EU country) on British Airways (a British airline) – and it's adamant that with EU rules copied into UK law you'll still get the same cover you would if the UK had remained in the EU. You can read the small print here.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/fa...-you/#consumer

For full details: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2...0190278_en.pdf

	Quote:	Full Circle
	I get it; the education system is already struggling because of budget cuts and the housing shortage is due to a lack of affordable housing. Yet I still struggle to see how hundreds of thousands of new immigrants coming each year doesn't make the situation worse

Because they're not all in need of education - i imagine the percentage of school-age kid isn't that high.

I imagine immigration doesn't help but with net migration figures ... someone will have done the maths I'm sure.

[CodPeace]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	https://www.stonewall.org.uk/truth-a...people-britain If the figure of 600k is anywhere near accurate, that's double the number of Jewish people in the UK.

More than compensates for the lost semite votes then.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	CodPeace
	More than compensates for the lost semite votes then.

It's not an 'either/or' and shouldn't be for any party.

	Quote:	Full Circle
	Keeping wages and living standards down is what they're doing. Some immigrants pay more into the system than they take out, many others don't. Hence the new points-based immigration system. As I previously said, with all the climate change problems I don't think an ever-growing population is actually desirable anyway.

Agree with the laste sentence - population growth is a major issue. But whether they live in the UK or another EU country- makes little difference, does it?

The same comments could certainly apply to Switzerland, and much more so as population is much denser and large parts, be they lake or mountains, are unhabitable. Xborder workers do push salaries down, despite the Law ways around are always found- and so do the presence ot other expats, be they Brits or otherwise.

[Full Circle]

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	Agree with the laste sentence - population growth is a major issue. But whether they live in the UK or another EU country- makes little difference, does it?

Well it does, because overpopulation is linked to a decreased quality of life, so it's obviously not desirable for the UK.

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	The same comments could certainly apply to Switzerland, and much more so as population is much denser and large parts, be they lake or mountains, are unhabitable. Xborder workers do push salaries down, despite the Law ways around are always found- and so do the presence ot other expats, be they Brits or otherwise.

I agree, but Switzerland already has much more sensible immigration policies in place - something the UK seems to be trying to follow the example of.

But the UK is NOT overpopulated - a few pockets are, but the rest of the country is not. From my last house, I could drive east for a couple of hours to the sea and only drive by one larger City. It is not overpopulated, but under funded and under infrastructured.

[NotAllThere]

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	It is not overpopulated, but under funded and under infrastructured.

i.e. badly run.

[marton]

	Quote:	Full Circle
	Well it does, because overpopulation is linked to a decreased quality of life, so it's obviously not desirable for the UK.

Not true!

Examples of Countries with the highest population density for quality of life estimates are;
Monaco
Macao
Singapore
HongKong
Vatican
Gibralter
Malta
Channel Islands

Whereas the country with the lowest population density is Pakistan.

The UK with 270 people per sq km is not exactly densely populated? Compare with Netherlands with 413 or Monaco with 15,000.

[marton]

	Quote:	Full Circle
	Keeping wages and living standards down is what they're doing. Some immigrants pay more into the system than they take out, many others don't. Hence the new points-based immigration system. As I previously said, with all the climate change problems I don't think an ever-growing population is actually desirable anyway.

About keeping wages down I will be charitable and assume you never heard of the UK minimum wage, living wage or London living wage Acts?

About "many immigrants pay less into the system than they take out", I assume this is your fact-free opinion?

Migrants contribute more to Britain than they take, and will carry on doing so

[Full Circle]

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	But the UK is NOT overpopulated - a few pockets are, but the rest of the country is not. From my last house, I could drive east for a couple of hours to the sea and only drive by one larger City.

Again, with the current climate problems is it a good idea to build up more of the UK and keep increasing the population?

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	It is not overpopulated, but under funded and under infrastructured.

Doesn't sound like the best environment to be cramming in a hundred thousand odd immigrants each year.

[marton]

	Quote:	Full Circle
	I agree, but Switzerland already has much more sensible immigration policies in place - something the UK seems to be trying to follow the example of.

Switzerland is part of the EU free movement of people (FMOP)?

So now it seems a bit clearer. Farming standards, including poor quality chicken and hormone + antibiotic fed beef will be affected, the NHS is definitley on the table despite all promises, and now for the icing on the cake

''The Observer

Trident

Pentagon reveals deal with Britain to replace Trident
MPs dismayed after US defence officials leak news of nuclear weapons deal before parliament is told''

sends shivers down my spine.

The NHS was always on the table. Only that table is an altar and the NHS is Johnson's sacrificial lamb. Johnson is, and always has been, a liar and someone for whom the end -his power - justifies any means. And too many folk fell for it. Screwed we are.

	Quote:	Full Circle
	Again, with the current climate problems is it a good idea to build up more of the UK and keep increasing the population? Doesn't sound like the best environment to be cramming in a hundred thousand odd immigrants each year.

Not sure what point you're trying to make but I don't think you know all that much about thr Uk...

[Blueangel]

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	Johnson is, and always has been, a liar and someone for whom the end -his power - justifies any means. And too many folk fell for it. Screwed we are.

The PM also appears to be treating the role as a part-time job. He's been at the Chevening 'country retreat' since last weekend and was supposed to be back in Downing St by Thursday night/ Friday morning, but there's no sign of him yet. It's also alleged that his partner is pregnant and was concealing this until his divorce was final.

[CodPeace]

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	the NHS is definitley on the table despite all promises,

The NHS already outsources many services, eg radiology to India and hundreds of other services.
If the yanks can provide value for money with the contractual quality required, why not? It's not Brexit related.

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	Trident Pentagon reveals deal with Britain to replace Trident MPs dismayed after US defence officials leak news of nuclear weapons deal before parliament is told'' sends shivers down my spine.

Again, developing a new nuclear missile defense sytem is ridiculous when the UK can buy it off the Ameicans. An alternative would be join up with the French, but they currently seem to have their own nuclear issues, albeit commercial, not defence.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	CodPeace
	The NHS already outsources many services, eg radiology to India and hundreds of other services. If the yanks can provide value for money with the contractual quality required, why not? It's not Brexit related. .

It looks like they could develop their privileged relations with their ex-colonies despite being EU members.
Thank you for confirming yet again what we all knew very well.

[CodPeace]

Effers waking up and looking around for something to be virtuous about.