The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[greenmount]

	Quote:	CodPeace
	Effers waking up and looking around for something to be virtuous about.

Thank you for contributing to the discussion...

Do you need a bigger spoon? Knock yourself out...

[Full Circle]

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	Not sure what point you're trying to make but I don't think you know all that much about thr Uk...

It's really not that difficult to grasp. In an era where resources are being depleted and people are trying to reduce their carbon footprint, an ever increasing population should not be a goal.

Anyway, I'm still waiting for you to explain how adding a hundred thousand new immigrants each year doesn't adversely affect the housing shortage?

	Quote:	Full Circle
	It's really not that difficult to grasp. In an era where resources are being depleted and people are trying to reduce their carbon footprint, an ever increasing population should not be a goal.

Seems however it is difficult to understand that those people will still exist with their associated carbon footprint whether you let them into the UK or not.

[marton]

	Quote:	Full Circle
	It's really not that difficult to grasp. In an era where resources are being depleted and people are trying to reduce their carbon footprint, an ever increasing population should not be a goal. Anyway, I'm still waiting for you to explain how adding a hundred thousand new immigrants each year doesn't adversely affect the housing shortage?

Those hundred thousand new immigrants each year are mostly non-EU immigrants so it has nothing to do with the title of this thread.

[marton]

	Quote:	CodPeace
	The NHS already outsources many services, eg radiology to India and hundreds of other services. If the yanks can provide value for money with the contractual quality required, why not? It's not Brexit related. Again, developing a new nuclear missile defense sytem is ridiculous when the UK can buy it off the Ameicans. An alternative would be join up with the French, but they currently seem to have their own nuclear issues, albeit commercial, not defence.

It is unlikely "the yanks can provide value for money with the contractual quality required" when they already run the world's most expensive health system; probably good reasons NHS already outsources to India, not the US.

The problem with "buy it off the Americans" is they will retain control over when and how it can be used.
All that ignores the question of "is a new nuclear missile defense system" really needed and is that the best use of the UK budget?
The famous Brexit "UK sovereignty" seems to have flown out of the window when such key and expensive decisions are made without any Parliament or pubic discussion and involvement.

	Quote:	CodPeace
	The NHS already outsources many services, eg radiology to India and hundreds of other services. If the yanks can provide value for money with the contractual quality required, why not? It's not Brexit related. .

Of course it's Brexit related. Keep up.

Are you sure you mean radiology? I don't think so. It's a bit tricky to diagnose patients if radiologists aren't on site.

	Quote:	Full Circle
	It's really not that difficult to grasp. In an era where resources are being depleted and people are trying to reduce their carbon footprint, an ever increasing population should not be a goal. Anyway, I'm still waiting for you to explain how adding a hundred thousand new immigrants each year doesn't adversely affect the housing shortage?

Why? You tell me how it does if you seem to know?

I didn't say it didn't in some small way, however I doubt immigration is the real reason for a shortage of affordable housing in the UK. And the key word is affordable. There are plenty of homes to be had... if you have the cash. As ever, it's a specific strata of society who are bearing the brunt.

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	Seems however it is difficult to understand that those people will still exist with their associated carbon footprint whether you let them into the UK or not.

And the further pressure that they put on UK's limited resources is not a problem?

Sustainable population growth should be the aim, not unlimited growth.

[Chuff]

	Quote:	Full Circle
	Un And the further pressure that they put on UK's limited resources is not a problem?

Which limited resources do you mean specifically? As long as someone is paying tax and has been legally allowed into the country then they have as much right to resources as anyone else.

I have more of a problem with the many thousands of benefit scrounger scum in the UK who are happy to stay on the dole get money for nothing and turn their nose up at the kinds of jobs that we need immigrants to come here and do. If I could replace each of these benefit scroungers with a hard-working immigrant then I would do so in a heartbeat.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Chuff
	Which limited resources do you mean specifically? As long as someone is paying tax and has been legally allowed into the country then they have as much right to resources as anyone else. I have more of a problem with the many thousands of benefit scrounger scum in the UK who are happy to stay on the dole get money for nothing and turn their nose up at the kinds of jobs that we need immigrants to come here and do. If I could replace each of these benefit scroungers with a hard-working immigrant then I would do so in a heartbeat.

If only we could exchange the lazy scroungers for the hard working immigrant, it could be a massive vote winner

[Full Circle]

	Quote:	Chuff
	Which limited resources do you mean specifically? As long as someone is paying tax and has been legally allowed into the country then they have as much right to resources as anyone else. I have more of a problem with the many thousands of benefit scrounger scum in the UK who are happy to stay on the dole get money for nothing and turn their nose up at the kinds of jobs that we need immigrants to come here and do. If I could replace each of these benefit scroungers with a hard-working immigrant then I would do so in a heartbeat.

I agree anyone legally in the country has the right to use the resources. But I don't think an ever increasing population is desirable nor sustainable.

'Benefit scrounger scum' are a problem, as is the system that allows them to exist. The problem with the 'hard-working immigrant' is that it's a temporary solution, once they've been used up then you need more immigrants to replace them, it becomes a cycle.

Anyway, the UK seems to be (finally) making a step in the right direction with their immigration policy, hopefully it works out well for them.

[roegner]

	Quote:	Full Circle
	I agree anyone legally in the country has the right to use the resources. But I don't think an ever increasing population is desirable nor sustainable. 'Benefit scrounger scum' are a problem, as is the system that allows them to exist. The problem with the 'hard-working immigrant' is that it's a temporary solution, once they've been used up then you need more immigrants to replace them, it becomes a cycle. Anyway, the UK seems to be (finally) making a step in the right direction with their immigration policy, hopefully it works out well for them.

Interesting reasoning from someone who also is an immigrant.

[Full Circle]

	Quote:	roegner
	Interesting reasoning from someone who also is an immigrant.

Sometimes you need to look at the big picture.

You mean those immigrants who complain about too many immigrants back home?

[ennui]

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	Of course it's Brexit related. Keep up. Are you sure you mean radiology? I don't think so. It's a bit tricky to diagnose patients if radiologists aren't on site.

Although I agree in principle, radiology - imaging - can be assessed remotely. It‘s how they‘ve done mammograms for years. However, if someone needs a guided biopsy or similar procedure, you need a radiologist to actually do the procedure.

At any rate, US docs, technicians are great, but so are UK ones. In terms of management and efficiency - the US experience not so much.

Does anyone actually still believe that Boris is trying to negotiate a Deal with EU.

I don't.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Full Circle
	I agree anyone legally in the country has the right to use the resources. But I don't think an ever increasing population is desirable nor sustainable. 'Benefit scrounger scum' are a problem, as is the system that allows them to exist. The problem with the 'hard-working immigrant' is that it's a temporary solution, once they've been used up then you need more immigrants to replace them, it becomes a cycle. Anyway, the UK seems to be (finally) making a step in the right direction with their immigration policy, hopefully it works out well for them.

Let's assume your point of view is not totally wrong, but you should already know that many jobs are not wanted by the locals. And not necessarily because the pay is low (which is not always the case, by the way) but because that specific work is really hard and/or requires some training or specific skills that people have no desire to retrain for. How do you solve these problems?
I would like to hear about viable solutions....

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	Does anyone actually still believe that Boris is trying to negotiate a Deal with EU. I don't.

Nope. I think he's partying in his pants at No 10, delighted with being the winningist politician that there ever was.

	Quote:	greenmount
	Let's assume your point of view is not totally wrong, but you should already know that many jobs are not wanted by the locals. And not necessarily because the pay is low (which is not always the case, by the way) but because that specific work is really hard and/or requires some training or specific skills that people have no desire to retrain for. How do you solve these problems? I would like to hear about viable solutions....

This. Also, a lot of work is geographically tricky: if the farm work is miles away from public transport, or you have to be in the fields (I have no clue) at 5am but your childcare inaccessible until 7.45am, what can you do?

[Jim2007]

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	Does anyone actually still believe that Boris is trying to negotiate a Deal with EU. I don't.

Well I suspect the plan was to accept the Canadian deal and use the time limits in the UK law to force it through parliament.... but now that that is of the table...

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	roegner
	Interesting reasoning from someone who also is an immigrant.

This immigrant has been gobsmacked reading recent posts by fellow immigrants, and disgusted at how they speak of my ancestors, my current family members, my partner and his family, all of whom were immigrants to the UK. It's sickening and displays a total lack of self awareness.