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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 25.02.2020, 13:54
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Since when is the UK accepting anything? And for the UK demands to be reasonable ......
They have been granted a lot of exceptions during their time in the EU. Why should the EU continue that now they have willingly left?
Hopefully there will be no deal & a hard BREXIT, after a couple of years the EU may soften
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Old 25.02.2020, 14:03
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Since when is the UK accepting anything? And for the UK demands to be reasonable ......
They have been granted a lot of exceptions during their time in the EU. Why should the EU continue that now they have willingly left?
The question is rather why should the UK follow the rules of the club after they’ve left. This is the whole point of Brexit.
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Old 25.02.2020, 14:04
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The question is rather why should the UK follow the rules of the club after they’ve left. This is the whole point of Brexit.
Well, if they want to trade with any of the EU partners? Or are they focussing only on any non EU country?
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Old 25.02.2020, 14:08
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Well, if they want to trade with any of the EU partners? Or are they focussing only on any non EU country?
The UK is only asking to trade under the same conditions as Canada and South Korea. It is the EU that is making unreasonable demands by asking for more control. The UK will not accept this.
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Old 25.02.2020, 14:10
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The UK is only asking to trade under the same conditions as Canada and South Korea. It is the EU that is making unreasonable demands by asking for more control. The UK will not accept this.
Well, that comes when you leave.

EU is probably making reasonable demands, only the UK has a different view. So only a question of perspective.
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Old 25.02.2020, 14:16
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Interesting times
"EU demands UK keep chlorinated chicken ban to get trade deal, clause in negotiating mandate for Michel Barnier will create hurdle to US-UK deal"

Looks like it will be a fun time negotiation.
I just received an email from a German campaigning organization asking me to sign a petition because apparently the EU is considering lifting the ban on chlorinated chickens.

Because of some US trade deal that is in the pipeline.

So interesting to see the same argument used both ways.
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Old 25.02.2020, 14:18
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EU is probably making reasonable demands,
There is a first time for everything.

So that would be one good thing that came ot of Brexit.

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Old 25.02.2020, 14:20
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I know these are opening positions but the sides are so far apart, it's very difficult to see how they will come to an agreement. Some of the EU demands are just ridiculous that no country would ever agree to. The UK on the other hand appear to be the reasonable ones by simply asking for something that the EU has said was on offer for the last 3 years.

Weird that after 3 years of saying the UK needs to accept an off the peg deal as they're "just a third country", that when the UK agrees to this request, the EU changes their tune and says that the UK is a special country and therefore needs a bespoke deal!
Tough for politicians when they have to deliver their promises in the real world.

When did the EU ever offer the UK "an off the peg deal"?
The problem all along has been the UK could never clearly state what it wants this future relationship to be.

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I know these are opening positions but the sides are so far apart, it's very difficult to see how they will come to an agreement. Some of the EU demands are just ridiculous that no country would ever agree to. The UK on the other hand appear to be the reasonable ones by simply asking for something that the EU has said was on offer for the last 3 years.

Weird that after 3 years of saying the UK needs to accept an off the peg deal as they're "just a third country", that when the UK agrees to this request, the EU changes their tune and says that the UK is a special country and therefore needs a bespoke deal!
Why do you think that the UK is now in a position to demand anything? We're transitioning out, weakened.
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Old 25.02.2020, 14:40
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The UK is only asking to trade under the same conditions as Canada and South Korea. It is the EU that is making unreasonable demands by asking for more control. The UK will not accept this.
You are over simplifying!

The Canada deal is not a "zero-tariff, zero-quota" deal, it has very little in it about financial services, which is very important for the UK economy and it does not remove border checks.

As to the South Korea deal, one major issue would be the “rules of origin” clause.
For instance, for cars, based on value-added, a car will be deemed to have “originated” in the EU if no more than 45% of the value of the inputs have been imported from outside South Korea or the EU to manufacture it. Currently, the percentage of UK components in British-built cars is 41% on average, which is short of meeting the required 55% of local content required for cars to be exported to the EU as UK cars.

These deals will need to be carefully studied to ensure they meet UK requirements.
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I just received an email from a German campaigning organization asking me to sign a petition because apparently the EU is considering lifting the ban on chlorinated chickens.

Because of some US trade deal that is in the pipeline.

So interesting to see the same argument used both ways.

And what George Eustice actually said was:
“What I’m saying is we won’t make any moves on our standards, we’ve got a clear position in this country that it is illegal to sell chlorine-washed chicken, illegal to sell beef treated with hormones, we have no plans to change those things,” he said.
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just a play on words - eg not chlorine but something else ...
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Tough times ahead for farmers - yes, even those who voted for it.

No cheap labour, or labour at all and now this, as expected, EU subsidies will not be fully replaced

''Payments will be reduced by 5-25% next year for farmers in England, the government has confirmed.''
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Tough times ahead for farmers - yes, even those who voted for it.

No cheap labour, or labour at all and now this, as expected, EU subsidies will not be fully replaced

''Payments will be reduced by 5-25% next year for farmers in England, the government has confirmed.''
Thereby making a tough profession even harder. Terrible.
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Old 26.02.2020, 11:39
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Along with national security, food security is an absolute basic requirement of any government.

I'm beginning to think this government won't last the year. They're behaving like a bunch of amateurs.
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Along with national security, food security is an absolute basic requirement of any government.

I'm beginning to think this government won't last the year. They're behaving like a bunch of amateurs.
Not a surprise. They're elitist, power hungry professional politicians. It's all about the spin and they spinned good and won. Unless in the same income bracket / cocoon of connectedness, everyone else lost.

In my opinion. Obvs.
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Tough times ahead for farmers - yes, even those who voted for it.

No cheap labour, or labour at all and now this, as expected, EU subsidies will not be fully replaced

''Payments will be reduced by 5-25% next year for farmers in England, the government has confirmed.''
I always wondered why Farmers should be subsidised, they goy very rich over the last 40 years.
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I'm beginning to think this government won't last the year. They're behaving like a bunch of amateurs.
I suspect they will be here for a lot longer than a year, they have done an awful lot very quickly which is what they were elected to do.
Remember you did not vote for them or BREXIT so I don't expect you to like or approve of anything they do.
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I always wondered why Farmers should be subsidised, they goy very rich over the last 40 years.

Some may have, probably descendents of the "gentlemen farmers etc". For most it's back breaking work for scant reward.

Average salary is 32500.

So you're either trolling again or showing ignorance of the facts.

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Along with national security, food security is an absolute basic requirement of any government.

I'm beginning to think this government won't last the year. They're behaving like a bunch of amateurs.
Indeed, even Iain Duncan Smith said a couple of days ago that the Goverment has to find the best Lawyers and experienced negotiators to help- as there is real trouble ahead. No doodoo Sherlock!
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