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Castro · #**27061** 25.03.2020, 16:44

Interestingly BoJo is still determined that we will exit the transition period on 31 December deal or no deal even though the chief EU negotiator is COVID+ and all meetings in Brussels have been cancelled. He has positively ruled out calling for an extension despite the extraordinary circumstances.

Maybe he thinks the EU are so distracted and fragmented that they will agree to anything, or rather thats the game plan of Dominic Cummings.

TonyClifton · #**27062** 25.03.2020, 20:43

	Quote:	marton
	Comparing apples and oranges? They will eventually find a vaccine for this virus but never for Brexit....

Sure, and deliberately so! So many millions of words written about the risk of the economic impact of a no-deal Brexit and along comes the Coronavirus which will cause economic damage on a scale that dwarfs even the worst of the no-deal Brexit economic scenarios.

It's odd how life works like that. I suspect when all this is over that people will have a lot less time for Greta Thunberg and her brand of doom mongering!

	Quote:	Castro
	Interestingly BoJo is still determined that we will exit the transition period on 31 December deal or no deal even though the chief EU negotiator is COVID+ and all meetings in Brussels have been cancelled. He has positively ruled out calling for an extension despite the extraordinary circumstances. Maybe he thinks the EU are so distracted and fragmented that they will agree to anything, or rather thats the game plan of Dominic Cummings.

I think even the most ardent Brexiteer accepts that the UK won't be leaving the EU on December 31st this year.

YuropFlyer · #**27063** 25.03.2020, 20:44

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I think even the most ardent Brexiteer accepts that the UK won't be leaving the EU on December 31st this year.

Yeah, because it already left the EU..

We're talking about the transition period now..

TonyClifton · #**27064** 25.03.2020, 20:50

	Quote:	YuropFlyer
	Yeah, because it already left the EU.. We're talking about the transition period now..

How can I possibly reward your pedantry?!

3Wishes · #**27065** 26.03.2020, 15:06

	Quote:	Castro
	Interestingly BoJo is still determined that we will exit the transition period on 31 December deal or no deal even though the chief EU negotiator is COVID+ and all meetings in Brussels have been cancelled. He has positively ruled out calling for an extension despite the extraordinary circumstances. Maybe he thinks the EU are so distracted and fragmented that they will agree to anything, or rather thats the game plan of Dominic Cummings.

It worked before. He got the EU to renegotiate the withdrawal agreement, when previously it had said no new negotiations.

#**27066** 29.03.2020, 12:06

Well, this is embarrassing... Oh, the irony!

Fruit and veg ‘will run out’ unless Britain charters planes to fly in farm workers from eastern Europe

Full Circle · #**27067** 29.03.2020, 12:18

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	Well, this is embarrassing... Oh, the irony! Fruit and veg ‘will run out’ unless Britain charters planes to fly in farm workers from eastern Europe

One wonders how they used to get fruit and veg picked before they had immigrants to do it for them.

Jim2007 · #**27068** 29.03.2020, 15:45

	Quote:	Full Circle
	One wonders how they used to get fruit and veg picked before they had immigrants to do it for them.

Well first of all crops were not so big, second workers could not afford to pass up the work and third they had some experience of doing the work.

Contrary to what some people think, you do need some experience in this work and a willingness to take care, otherwise the fruit etc become damaged and rot while in storage.

k_and_e · #**27069** 29.03.2020, 15:49

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	Well, this is embarrassing... Oh, the irony! Fruit and veg ‘will run out’ unless Britain charters planes to fly in farm workers from eastern Europe

If the borders remain closed, then most western EUropean countries will have this problem. Might be a good boost to localize it again.

TonyClifton · #**27070** 29.03.2020, 15:51

	Quote:	k_and_e
	If the borders remain closed, then most western EUropean countries will have this problem. Might be a good boost to localize it again.

This is the point, Germany have already started to struggle for a lack of asparagus pickers. It has nothing to do with Brexit.

Full Circle · #**27071** 29.03.2020, 15:55

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Well first of all crops were not so big, second workers could not afford to pass up the work and third they had some experience of doing the work. Contrary to what some people think, you do need some experience in this work and a willingness to take care, otherwise the fruit etc become damaged and rot while in storage.

And somewhere along the line it clicked that it was much more profitable to simply exploit foreign labour instead.

marton · #**27072** 29.03.2020, 15:57

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	This is the point, Germany have already started to struggle for a lack of asparagus pickers. It has nothing to do with Brexit.

Apparently since Brexit, UK has a lack of pheasant pluckers.

3Wishes · #**27073** 29.03.2020, 16:42

	Quote:	Full Circle
	One wonders how they used to get fruit and veg picked before they had immigrants to do it for them.

Back in the day it was mostly small, family-owned farms producing foods for locals as opposed to giant commercial corporations mass-producing fruit, veg and livestock. People ate local foods when in season and didn't import/export off-season. There were mostly local butchers and bakers and shops, not massive supermarkets, for example.

k_and_e · #**27074** 29.03.2020, 16:51

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	This is the point, Germany have already started to struggle for a lack of asparagus pickers. It has nothing to do with Brexit.

Such a pity that the unemployed in these countries really can't help

Full Circle · #**27075** 29.03.2020, 17:52

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Back in the day it was mostly small, family-owned farms producing foods for locals as opposed to giant commercial corporations mass-producing fruit, veg and livestock. People ate local foods when in season and didn't import/export off-season. There were mostly local butchers and bakers and shops, not massive supermarkets, for example.

That's true. People used to get paid a fair days wage too.

Jim2007 · #**27076** 29.03.2020, 17:58

	Quote:	Full Circle
	And somewhere along the line it clicked that it was much more profitable to simply exploit foreign labour instead.

So how many voters do you think will vote in a party that has overseen the increase in the cost fresh fruit and vegetables by say 20% - 25%??? Because in the end that is what it comes down to.

And remember in the UK, the farmer and the land owner are not the same think...

marton · #**27077** 29.03.2020, 18:02

	Quote:	Full Circle
	That's true. People used to get paid a fair days wage too.

LOL! You are funny.

Raffles · #**27078** 29.03.2020, 18:26

	Quote:	marton
	Apparently since Brexit, UK has a lack of pheasant pluckers.

I hear their sons are finding work elsewhere also.

Full Circle · #**27079** 29.03.2020, 18:45

	Quote:	Jim2007
	So how many voters do you think will vote in a party that has overseen the increase in the cost fresh fruit and vegetables by say 20% - 25%??? Because in the end that is what it comes down to. And remember in the UK, the farmer and the land owner are not the same think...

This is like deja vu, we discussed this and a lot of the problems involved about 10 pages back.

I realise it's not easy and that any changes made would take a lot of time yet I'm not convinced that continually importing immigrants who are willing to work for shitty conditions is a long term solution.

k_and_e · #**27080** 29.03.2020, 19:01

	Quote:	Jim2007
	So how many voters do you think will vote in a party that has overseen the increase in the cost fresh fruit and vegetables by say 20% - 25%??? Because in the end that is what it comes down to.

a price increase is not a bad thing as you will have fair wages on short term and a trigger for innovation on the long term. much better than a price race to the bottom.