The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I suspect they will be here for a lot longer than a year, they have done an awful lot very quickly which is what they were elected to do.

So what have the ACTUALLY done, lets see the list of non blowing hot air things they have achieved so far????

About as much as the new housing that was promised several years ago.

As Andrew Neil said to the lovely sunny Truss when she said, squirming, that she could not remember. He replied 'it is very easy indeed to remember- that is zero, none whatsoever'- simples.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I always wondered why Farmers should be subsidised, they goy very rich over the last 40 years.

Because of national food security. If every farmer specialised in the product that earns them the most profit, the country would rapidly run out of essentials, such as animal feed, etc, so the government offers them an enducement to produce what the country as a whole requires rather than the most personally profitable product. You must have even a rudimentary knowledge of this from school, or did you not study crop rotation, etc, in history?

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I suspect they will be here for a lot longer than a year, they have done an awful lot very quickly which is what they were elected to do.

Such as?

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Remember you did not vote for them or BREXIT so I don't expect you to like or approve of anything they do.

I no way does that mean I want the country to fail. As I've only voted for one elected government, I can assure you that I'm more than accustomed to looking for the positives but noting the negatives.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Hopefully there will be no deal & a hard BREXIT, after a couple of years the EU may soften

So you walk away from a deal to covering 45% - 48% of your trade, no access for financial services and tariffs on all exports to the EU and if we believe in Boris, they will set WTO tariffs on imports to zero... and you expect they will soften.....


In such circumstances why would any other WTO member be in a hurry to negotiate a trade deal with the UK while they can have zero tariffs on their exports to the UK, while imposing tariffs on UK imports. So long as they UK and the EU can not come to an agreement, they can enjoy the free ride.

[Blueangel]

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	About as much as the new housing that was promised several years ago.

It's finally begun...


https://twitter.com/MrGeorgeClarke/s...54053031890945

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[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	So what have the ACTUALLY done, lets see the list of non blowing hot air things they have achieved so far????

I guess you did not notice UK left the EU, something that the last government was unable to achieve. Don't worry HARD BREXIT here we come.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Some may have, probably descendents of the "gentlemen farmers etc". For most it's back breaking work for scant reward. Average salary is 32500. So you're either trolling again or showing ignorance of the facts. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1582712092560

32,500 is substantially above average earnings in farming areas or even the country as a whole, you would seem to be trolling as usual
The capital values of farms have increased due to subsidies, there are also huge IHT exemptions......

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	roegner
	Well, that comes when you leave. EU is probably making reasonable demands, only the UK has a different view. So only a question of perspective.

If you consider it reasonable for the EU to demand access to UK fishing waters and a role for the ECJ in making rulings. How about we turn it around, would it be reasonable for the UK to demand access to EU waters, and a role for British judges on the continent?

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	Why do you think that the UK is now in a position to demand anything? We're transitioning out, weakened.

The UK isn't demanding anything. And the UK is in a stronger position in these negotiations than you (and the EU it seems) realise. The UK government are aware of the consequences of trading on WTA rules and have stated they're happy to accept it. If this happens and the EU decide to take a hard line at the borders then as I have already said, mutual economic damage WILL ensue. The advantage the UK government has over the whole of the EU is that they don't have to face voters for another 5 years. The key EU countries on the other hand have elections much sooner, and will be forced to go to the ballot box amidst economic turmoil and with the rising tide of populism that we've seen across the continent.

Secondly, free of the shackles of EU regulation and as a sovereign nation, the UK will be far better positioned to act to alleviate any disruption that takes place.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I'm beginning to think this government won't last the year.

That’s cute

[fatmanfilms]

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	Indeed, even Iain Duncan Smith said a couple of days ago that the Goverment has to find the best Lawyers and experienced negotiators to help- as there is real trouble ahead. No doodoo Sherlock!

I can't imagine hiring anything other than the best lawyers, hardly worth hiring the cheapest who are useless.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	So you walk away from a deal to covering 45% - 48% of your trade, no access for financial services and tariffs on all exports to the EU and if we believe in Boris, they will set WTO tariffs on imports to zero... and you expect they will soften..... In such circumstances why would any other WTO member be in a hurry to negotiate a trade deal with the UK while they can have zero tariffs on their exports to the UK, while imposing tariffs on UK imports. So long as they UK and the EU can not come to an agreement, they can enjoy the free ride.

Your are a remainer you have bleated on for 3 years now, we are leaving get used to it.
EU said a Canada deal is the only deal on the table, Borris says we want a Canada style deal. EU replies not possible as the UK is special, you could not make this BS up.

You also said the EU would not do a new withdrawal agreementl with Borris, they did. You have a habit of being wrong, it's starting to be amusing.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	32,500 is substantially above average earnings in farming areas or even the country as a whole, you would seem to be trolling as usual The capital values of farms have increased due to subsidies, there are also huge IHT exemptions......

Yeah, sure. I'm trolling, how right you are. I suppose I made up the article I linked too, eh. Yet another empty comment I assume is designed to provoke?

Average full time salary in the UK is 36k.

But in your world only lazy folk are average, right? It's their fault they weren't born into wealthy families, yes?

Also there's just one R in Boris. HTH

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I always wondered why Farmers should be subsidised, they goy very rich over the last 40 years.

I think to have subsidized local farmers while allowing large volume and low quality import for dumping prices makes little sense. I'd even sacrifice my avocados...I think.

	Quote:	MusicChick
	I think to have subsidized local farmers while allowing large volume and low quality import for dumping prices makes little sense. I'd even sacrifice my avocados...I think.

Oh good grief.

Oh my ... blimey

Yes, of course, avocados are grown all over the UK in large number- they are indeed a Yorkshire speciality.

''In the aftermath of the general election, many commentators predicted that Johnson would soften his Brexit stance and seek to develop a ‘deep and special’ partnership with the EU. A range of factors seemed to lend credence to such a view. With Brexit done, and the referendum mandate (at least arguably) exhausted, would he not choose the least economically disruptive path, ensuring that he would have the ability to deliver on his pre-election spending promises? Does he not have to appeal to ‘red wall’ voters, and the new tranche of Conservative MPs who represent them in Parliament? Wasn’t he, and I’m not quite sure what people are reading into this one, rather more liberal than expected during his time as London mayor?

It now seems clear that he has no intention of softening his Brexit stance. His actions as Prime Minister can best be understood through the lens – again – of power.

He has sought, in a range of ways, to minimise Parliamentary scrutiny of his actions. He has plans for the judiciary, both in terms of its composition, and its ability to hold the government to account via judicial review. He attacks the BBC and the civil service. He treats the devolved governments with barely disguised contempt. Institutions which serve as ‘checks and balances’ against executive power are systematically undermined, because they might object to things he might want to do. It seems that we are dealing with a Prime Minister who is interested in power for power’s sake.

blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2020/02/25/power-for-powers-sake-johnsons-profoundly-alarming-premiership/

The blogger, Phil Syrpis is Professor of EU Law at the University of Bristol Law School.''

[TonyClifton]

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	''In the aftermath of the general election, many commentators predicted that Johnson would soften his Brexit stance and seek to develop a ‘deep and special’ partnership with the EU. A range of factors seemed to lend credence to such a view. With Brexit done, and the referendum mandate (at least arguably) exhausted, would he not choose the least economically disruptive path, ensuring that he would have the ability to deliver on his pre-election spending promises? Does he not have to appeal to ‘red wall’ voters, and the new tranche of Conservative MPs who represent them in Parliament? Wasn’t he, and I’m not quite sure what people are reading into this one, rather more liberal than expected during his time as London mayor? It now seems clear that he has no intention of softening his Brexit stance. His actions as Prime Minister can best be understood through the lens – again – of power.

One reads things like this and wonders how they are a professor at a leading university?! Boris Johnson resigned from Theresa May’s government because she wanted regulatory alignment and a soft Brexit! Mr Johnson has ALWAYS been fundamentally against a so called soft Brexit!

Pantomine 'Oh NO, he has NOT' - he was very pro EU, and pro Turkey becoming a member, and a lot more.

But he has signed up to a Withdrawal Agreement on very specific terms - which he clearly has no intention to honour.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	One reads things like this and wonders how they are a professor at a leading university?! Boris Johnson resigned from Theresa May’s government because she wanted regulatory alignment and a soft Brexit! Mr Johnson has ALWAYS been fundamentally against a so called soft Brexit!

Has he? Do you know that for a fact fact or an opinion as fact?