The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Full Circle
	This is like deja vu, we discussed this and a lot of the problems involved about 10 pages back. I realise it's not easy and that any changes made would take a lot of time yet I'm not convinced that continually importing immigrants who are willing to work for shitty conditions is a long term solution.

And the answer is still the same it will change until the voters are willing to accept it. Politicians do why get's them elected.

[Full Circle]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	And the answer is still the same it will change until the voters are willing to accept it. Politicians do why get's them elected.

Like Brexit?

[marton]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	a price increase is not a bad thing as you will have fair wages on short term and a trigger for innovation on the long term. much better than a price race to the bottom.

In these days of UK National Minimum Wage and UK National Living Wage, your claims of unfair wages are as outdated as other posts.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	a price increase is not a bad thing as you will have fair wages on short term and a trigger for innovation on the long term. much better than a price race to the bottom.

Exactly this, they either need to pay a reasonable wage, or make some capital investment in automation and technology.

[marton]

Positive reports today about Boris and his steady progress to recovery.

After at least three days in intensive care, I doubt he will be ready for the rigours of the PM job for a long time. Other COV-19 survivors after intensive care report they are very weak and can only resume a fraction of the previous activities.

	Quote:	marton
	Positive reports today about Boris and his steady progress to recovery. After at least three days in intensive care, I doubt he will be ready for the rigours of the PM job for a long time. Other COV-19 survivors after intensive care report they are very weak and can only resume a fraction of the previous activities.

Still wondering about the contradictory nature of some reports. Earlier today he was supposed to be off Oxygen, an hour or so ago I read in a ticker he was still on it.

[Mikers]

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	Still wondering about the contradictory nature of some reports. Earlier today he was supposed to be off Oxygen, an hour or so ago I read in a ticker he was still on it.

I think despite what they say about being open, they'll keep it fairly secret because of the possible impact to the country stability etc - if they tell us he's deteriorating and could soon die it has financial impacts on the markets and so on. Until he is fully out of ICU I would just consider him very unwell whatever they might be saying about him sitting up etc.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Still wondering about the contradictory nature of some reports. Earlier today he was supposed to be off Oxygen, an hour or so ago I read in a ticker he was still on it.

I was taken off Oxygen 8 days after my ski accident, then resumed with oxygen for another 5 days.

	Quote:
	Still wondering about the contradictory nature of some reports. Earlier today he was supposed to be off Oxygen, an hour or so ago I read in a ticker he was still on it.

He'd been on positive push (term?) Oxygen, so not intubated but with steady oxygen being introduced to his system.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	marton
	Apparently since Brexit, UK has a lack of pheasant pluckers.

Is UK practically still in the EU i.e. do they have coordinated actions re. corona virus crisis?
Asking for a friend.


On a more serious note, I'm asking because I don't follow Brexit anymore. It's been tiring and senseless.

Many EFers were always claiming UK is not in Europe, so each to their own.

	Quote:	greenmount
	Is UK practically still in the EU i.e. do they have coordinated actions re. corona virus crisis? Asking for a friend. On a more serious note, I'm asking because I don't follow Brexit anymore. It's been tiring and senseless. Many EFers were always claiming UK is not in Europe, so each to their own.

Is the EU itself actually significantly coordinating (not a dig but a genuine question)?

[Troublawesome]

Like everything else, the EU has its s**t together way better than the UK ever did in this virus situation. They didn't flip flop 10x back and forth between strategies and although every country needs to decide its own approach, the health ministers are on daily calls since the beginning and pretty much all EU countries follow the same approach of mitigation and flattening the curve.

Those Nordic countries who don't are the exception but with their superb healthcare systems and cultural traits of self distancing embedded in them for decades they had a much better chance of trying herd immunity than the UK's overcrowded metro cities and disintegrating health system. Not to mention population lack of discipline against any common sense precaution.

I'm tired of the EU bashing, I wish we throw them out without a deal and let them do whatever they want. We're headed there anyway, the EU should stop accommodating.

Everyone is sick of it.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Like everything else, the EU has its s**t together way better than the UK ever did in this virus situation. They didn't flip flop 10x back and forth between strategies and although every country needs to decide its own approach, the health ministers are on daily calls since the beginning and pretty much all EU countries follow the same approach of mitigation and flattening the curve. Those Nordic countries who don't are the exception but with their superb healthcare systems and cultural traits of self distancing embedded in them for decades they had a much better chance of trying herd immunity than the UK's overcrowded metro cities and disintegrating health system. Not to mention population lack of discipline against any common sense precaution. I'm tired of the EU bashing, I wish we throw them out without a deal and let them do whatever they want. We're headed there anyway, the EU should stop accommodating. Everyone is sick of it.

The EU isn't barely doing anything, except closing Schengen. Policies are set by individual countries who are policy-wise all in a triangle from Sweden (least restrictive), Italy/France/Spain (most restrictive) and Hungary (bye bye democracy).

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Like everything else, the EU has its s**t together way better than the UK ever did in this virus situation. They didn't flip flop 10x back and forth between strategies and although every country needs to decide its own approach, the health ministers are on daily calls since the beginning and pretty much all EU countries follow the same approach of mitigation and flattening the curve. Those Nordic countries who don't are the exception but with their superb healthcare systems and cultural traits of self distancing embedded in them for decades they had a much better chance of trying herd immunity than the UK's overcrowded metro cities and disintegrating health system. Not to mention population lack of discipline against any common sense precaution. I'm tired of the EU bashing, I wish we throw them out without a deal and let them do whatever they want. We're headed there anyway, the EU should stop accommodating. Everyone is sick of it.

And to think I was accused of UK bashing?!

	Quote:	k_and_e
	The EU isn't barely doing anything, except closing Schengen. Policies are set by individual countries who are policy-wise all in a triangle from Sweden (least restrictive), Italy/France/Spain (most restrictive) and Hungary (bye bye democracy).

Of course, even their ventilator program hasn’t yet produced any ventilators and appears it won’t do so for some time. The EU actually now has a lot more on its hands than Brexit. The insufficient financial deal that was agreed after days of negotiations is just papering over the cracks. That’s before they get to dealing with a disgruntled Italy and a Hungary that has given up on democracy. One wonders if the EU will even survive.

[Jim2007]

It's interesting to hear all the Tory concern for the impact a few weeks shutdown will do to the economy... while at the same time they don't seem to have any concern about the impact walking away from from every trade agreement they have and access to the European financial services market will have...

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	It's interesting to hear all the Tory concern for the impact a few weeks shutdown will do to the economy... while at the same time they don't seem to have any concern about the impact walking away from from every trade agreement they have and access to the European financial services market will have...

Perhaps you forgot the electorate voted for BREXIT, nobody voted for Corona Virus or the shut down.

[Troublawesome]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Perhaps you forgot the electorate voted for BREXIT, nobody voted for Corona Virus or the shut down.

I'm sure Brexiteers would vote for corona too, who needs experts. It's a HOAX.

Well, enjoy your country ran by the Borises/Trumps of the world. You pay the price of electing populists with coffins that were 100% avoidable.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	coffins that were 100% avoidable.

100% avoidable, what nonsense.

[Troublawesome]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	100% avoidable, what nonsense.

The only one writing nonsense here are those who praise the stock market over human lives. People like Trump and his supporters, who put money before anything else. It's a sad existence. And they have many cheerleaders such as yourself.

When the whole world was burning, the US had a 5 week window to prepare and avoid the MAJORITY of those deaths. Instead their leader said this is a hoax and did nothing.

Now hundreds of thousands will die, all because of Trump. Just him alone, no one else. One person had the power to save all those lives but all he had to do is say he was wrong and reverse policy.

Same with Boris. Same idiot, different name.

UK and US will pay the price for giving the keys to their lives to such charlatans.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	The only one writing nonsense here are those who praise the stock market over human lives. People like Trump and his supporters, who put money before anything else. It's a sad existence. And they have many cheerleaders such as yourself. When the whole world was burning, the US had a 5 week window to prepare and avoid the MAJORITY of those deaths. Instead their leader said this is a hoax and did nothing. Now hundreds of thousands will die, all because of Trump. Just him alone, no one else. One person had the power to save all those lives but all he had to do is say he was wrong and reverse policy. Same with Boris. Same idiot, different name. UK and US will pay the price for giving the keys to their lives to such charlatans.

People set up companies to make money, employing people is an expensive side effect. The stock market is not about 'human lives' & has never been. Not sure why you make such a connection.

Without Trump, how many of those 100,0000's would be alive in 10 years? I think you are making connections that don't exist.