The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 1358

marton · #**27141** 29.03.2020, 15:57

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	This is the point, Germany have already started to struggle for a lack of asparagus pickers. It has nothing to do with Brexit.

Apparently since Brexit, UK has a lack of pheasant pluckers.

3Wishes · #**27142** 29.03.2020, 16:42

	Quote:	Full Circle
	One wonders how they used to get fruit and veg picked before they had immigrants to do it for them.

Back in the day it was mostly small, family-owned farms producing foods for locals as opposed to giant commercial corporations mass-producing fruit, veg and livestock. People ate local foods when in season and didn't import/export off-season. There were mostly local butchers and bakers and shops, not massive supermarkets, for example.

k_and_e · #**27143** 29.03.2020, 16:51

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	This is the point, Germany have already started to struggle for a lack of asparagus pickers. It has nothing to do with Brexit.

Such a pity that the unemployed in these countries really can't help

Full Circle · #**27144** 29.03.2020, 17:52

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Back in the day it was mostly small, family-owned farms producing foods for locals as opposed to giant commercial corporations mass-producing fruit, veg and livestock. People ate local foods when in season and didn't import/export off-season. There were mostly local butchers and bakers and shops, not massive supermarkets, for example.

That's true. People used to get paid a fair days wage too.

Jim2007 · #**27145** 29.03.2020, 17:58

	Quote:	Full Circle
	And somewhere along the line it clicked that it was much more profitable to simply exploit foreign labour instead.

So how many voters do you think will vote in a party that has overseen the increase in the cost fresh fruit and vegetables by say 20% - 25%??? Because in the end that is what it comes down to.

And remember in the UK, the farmer and the land owner are not the same think...

marton · #**27146** 29.03.2020, 18:02

	Quote:	Full Circle
	That's true. People used to get paid a fair days wage too.

LOL! You are funny.

Raffles · #**27147** 29.03.2020, 18:26

	Quote:	marton
	Apparently since Brexit, UK has a lack of pheasant pluckers.

I hear their sons are finding work elsewhere also.

Full Circle · #**27148** 29.03.2020, 18:45

	Quote:	Jim2007
	So how many voters do you think will vote in a party that has overseen the increase in the cost fresh fruit and vegetables by say 20% - 25%??? Because in the end that is what it comes down to. And remember in the UK, the farmer and the land owner are not the same think...

This is like deja vu, we discussed this and a lot of the problems involved about 10 pages back.

I realise it's not easy and that any changes made would take a lot of time yet I'm not convinced that continually importing immigrants who are willing to work for shitty conditions is a long term solution.

k_and_e · #**27149** 29.03.2020, 19:01

	Quote:	Jim2007
	So how many voters do you think will vote in a party that has overseen the increase in the cost fresh fruit and vegetables by say 20% - 25%??? Because in the end that is what it comes down to.

a price increase is not a bad thing as you will have fair wages on short term and a trigger for innovation on the long term. much better than a price race to the bottom.

Jim2007 · #**27150** 29.03.2020, 19:07

	Quote:	Full Circle
	This is like deja vu, we discussed this and a lot of the problems involved about 10 pages back. I realise it's not easy and that any changes made would take a lot of time yet I'm not convinced that continually importing immigrants who are willing to work for shitty conditions is a long term solution.

And the answer is still the same it will change until the voters are willing to accept it. Politicians do why get's them elected.

Full Circle · #**27151** 29.03.2020, 19:16

	Quote:	Jim2007
	And the answer is still the same it will change until the voters are willing to accept it. Politicians do why get's them elected.

Like Brexit?

marton · #**27152** 29.03.2020, 20:11

	Quote:	k_and_e
	a price increase is not a bad thing as you will have fair wages on short term and a trigger for innovation on the long term. much better than a price race to the bottom.

In these days of UK National Minimum Wage and UK National Living Wage, your claims of unfair wages are as outdated as other posts.

TonyClifton · #**27153** 29.03.2020, 20:19

	Quote:	k_and_e
	a price increase is not a bad thing as you will have fair wages on short term and a trigger for innovation on the long term. much better than a price race to the bottom.

Exactly this, they either need to pay a reasonable wage, or make some capital investment in automation and technology.

marton · #**27154** 09.04.2020, 16:22

Positive reports today about Boris and his steady progress to recovery.

After at least three days in intensive care, I doubt he will be ready for the rigours of the PM job for a long time. Other COV-19 survivors after intensive care report they are very weak and can only resume a fraction of the previous activities.

#**27155** 09.04.2020, 16:41

	Quote:	marton
	Positive reports today about Boris and his steady progress to recovery. After at least three days in intensive care, I doubt he will be ready for the rigours of the PM job for a long time. Other COV-19 survivors after intensive care report they are very weak and can only resume a fraction of the previous activities.

Still wondering about the contradictory nature of some reports. Earlier today he was supposed to be off Oxygen, an hour or so ago I read in a ticker he was still on it.

Mikers · #**27156** 09.04.2020, 16:57

	Quote:
	Still wondering about the contradictory nature of some reports. Earlier today he was supposed to be off Oxygen, an hour or so ago I read in a ticker he was still on it.

I think despite what they say about being open, they'll keep it fairly secret because of the possible impact to the country stability etc - if they tell us he's deteriorating and could soon die it has financial impacts on the markets and so on. Until he is fully out of ICU I would just consider him very unwell whatever they might be saying about him sitting up etc.

fatmanfilms · #**27157** 09.04.2020, 19:17

	Quote:
	Still wondering about the contradictory nature of some reports. Earlier today he was supposed to be off Oxygen, an hour or so ago I read in a ticker he was still on it.

I was taken off Oxygen 8 days after my ski accident, then resumed with oxygen for another 5 days.

#**27158** 09.04.2020, 22:19

	Quote:
	Still wondering about the contradictory nature of some reports. Earlier today he was supposed to be off Oxygen, an hour or so ago I read in a ticker he was still on it.

He'd been on positive push (term?) Oxygen, so not intubated but with steady oxygen being introduced to his system.

greenmount · #**27159** 10.04.2020, 10:36

	Quote:	marton
	Apparently since Brexit, UK has a lack of pheasant pluckers.

Is UK practically still in the EU i.e. do they have coordinated actions re. corona virus crisis?
Asking for a friend.

On a more serious note, I'm asking because I don't follow Brexit anymore. It's been tiring and senseless.

Many EFers were always claiming UK is not in Europe, so each to their own.

#**27160** 10.04.2020, 11:49

	Quote:	greenmount
	Is UK practically still in the EU i.e. do they have coordinated actions re. corona virus crisis? Asking for a friend. On a more serious note, I'm asking because I don't follow Brexit anymore. It's been tiring and senseless. Many EFers were always claiming UK is not in Europe, so each to their own.

Is the EU itself actually significantly coordinating (not a dig but a genuine question)?