The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Troublawesome]

Like everything else, the EU has its s**t together way better than the UK ever did in this virus situation. They didn't flip flop 10x back and forth between strategies and although every country needs to decide its own approach, the health ministers are on daily calls since the beginning and pretty much all EU countries follow the same approach of mitigation and flattening the curve.

Those Nordic countries who don't are the exception but with their superb healthcare systems and cultural traits of self distancing embedded in them for decades they had a much better chance of trying herd immunity than the UK's overcrowded metro cities and disintegrating health system. Not to mention population lack of discipline against any common sense precaution.

I'm tired of the EU bashing, I wish we throw them out without a deal and let them do whatever they want. We're headed there anyway, the EU should stop accommodating.

Everyone is sick of it.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Like everything else, the EU has its s**t together way better than the UK ever did in this virus situation. They didn't flip flop 10x back and forth between strategies and although every country needs to decide its own approach, the health ministers are on daily calls since the beginning and pretty much all EU countries follow the same approach of mitigation and flattening the curve. Those Nordic countries who don't are the exception but with their superb healthcare systems and cultural traits of self distancing embedded in them for decades they had a much better chance of trying herd immunity than the UK's overcrowded metro cities and disintegrating health system. Not to mention population lack of discipline against any common sense precaution. I'm tired of the EU bashing, I wish we throw them out without a deal and let them do whatever they want. We're headed there anyway, the EU should stop accommodating. Everyone is sick of it.

The EU isn't barely doing anything, except closing Schengen. Policies are set by individual countries who are policy-wise all in a triangle from Sweden (least restrictive), Italy/France/Spain (most restrictive) and Hungary (bye bye democracy).

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Like everything else, the EU has its s**t together way better than the UK ever did in this virus situation. They didn't flip flop 10x back and forth between strategies and although every country needs to decide its own approach, the health ministers are on daily calls since the beginning and pretty much all EU countries follow the same approach of mitigation and flattening the curve. Those Nordic countries who don't are the exception but with their superb healthcare systems and cultural traits of self distancing embedded in them for decades they had a much better chance of trying herd immunity than the UK's overcrowded metro cities and disintegrating health system. Not to mention population lack of discipline against any common sense precaution. I'm tired of the EU bashing, I wish we throw them out without a deal and let them do whatever they want. We're headed there anyway, the EU should stop accommodating. Everyone is sick of it.

And to think I was accused of UK bashing?!

	Quote:	k_and_e
	The EU isn't barely doing anything, except closing Schengen. Policies are set by individual countries who are policy-wise all in a triangle from Sweden (least restrictive), Italy/France/Spain (most restrictive) and Hungary (bye bye democracy).

Of course, even their ventilator program hasn’t yet produced any ventilators and appears it won’t do so for some time. The EU actually now has a lot more on its hands than Brexit. The insufficient financial deal that was agreed after days of negotiations is just papering over the cracks. That’s before they get to dealing with a disgruntled Italy and a Hungary that has given up on democracy. One wonders if the EU will even survive.

[Jim2007]

It's interesting to hear all the Tory concern for the impact a few weeks shutdown will do to the economy... while at the same time they don't seem to have any concern about the impact walking away from from every trade agreement they have and access to the European financial services market will have...

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	It's interesting to hear all the Tory concern for the impact a few weeks shutdown will do to the economy... while at the same time they don't seem to have any concern about the impact walking away from from every trade agreement they have and access to the European financial services market will have...

Perhaps you forgot the electorate voted for BREXIT, nobody voted for Corona Virus or the shut down.

[Troublawesome]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Perhaps you forgot the electorate voted for BREXIT, nobody voted for Corona Virus or the shut down.

I'm sure Brexiteers would vote for corona too, who needs experts. It's a HOAX.

Well, enjoy your country ran by the Borises/Trumps of the world. You pay the price of electing populists with coffins that were 100% avoidable.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	coffins that were 100% avoidable.

100% avoidable, what nonsense.

[Troublawesome]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	100% avoidable, what nonsense.

The only one writing nonsense here are those who praise the stock market over human lives. People like Trump and his supporters, who put money before anything else. It's a sad existence. And they have many cheerleaders such as yourself.

When the whole world was burning, the US had a 5 week window to prepare and avoid the MAJORITY of those deaths. Instead their leader said this is a hoax and did nothing.

Now hundreds of thousands will die, all because of Trump. Just him alone, no one else. One person had the power to save all those lives but all he had to do is say he was wrong and reverse policy.

Same with Boris. Same idiot, different name.

UK and US will pay the price for giving the keys to their lives to such charlatans.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	The only one writing nonsense here are those who praise the stock market over human lives. People like Trump and his supporters, who put money before anything else. It's a sad existence. And they have many cheerleaders such as yourself. When the whole world was burning, the US had a 5 week window to prepare and avoid the MAJORITY of those deaths. Instead their leader said this is a hoax and did nothing. Now hundreds of thousands will die, all because of Trump. Just him alone, no one else. One person had the power to save all those lives but all he had to do is say he was wrong and reverse policy. Same with Boris. Same idiot, different name. UK and US will pay the price for giving the keys to their lives to such charlatans.

People set up companies to make money, employing people is an expensive side effect. The stock market is not about 'human lives' & has never been. Not sure why you make such a connection.

Without Trump, how many of those 100,0000's would be alive in 10 years? I think you are making connections that don't exist.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	People set up companies to make money, employing people is an expensive side effect. The stock market is not about 'human lives' & has never been. Not sure why you make such a connection. Without Trump, how many of those 100,0000's would be alive in 10 years? I think you are making connections that don't exist.

Because Trump is such a devoted humanitarian?

You're making a lot of assumptions. True, everyone has to die of something, but I imagine those thousands of folk would much prefer to die peacefully surrounded by loved ones than fighting for breath in isolation.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Perhaps you forgot the electorate voted for BREXIT, nobody voted for Corona Virus or the shut down.

I'm not talking about the voters, I taking about ministers that had no problem advocating walking way for all the trade deals etc... but are now worried about a shot closure.....

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	I'm not talking about the voters, I taking about ministers that had no problem advocating walking way for all the trade deals etc... but are now worried about a shot closure.....

You don't need a trade deal to trade, you can't trade if all the factories are closed & there is nothing to sell.

Someone on a FB forum wrote this today

''Anyone else worried that Covid 19 will just be a convenient scapegoat for crap caused by Brexit and leavers will be as committed as ever, at a time when the effects will be much much worse?''

and it seems, the answer is 'yes, I truly am'

[k_and_e]

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	Someone on a FB forum wrote this today ''Anyone else worried that Covid 19 will just be a convenient scapegoat for crap caused by Brexit and leavers will be as committed as ever, at a time when the effects will be much much worse?'' and it seems, the answer is 'yes, I truly am'

To be fair, Covid 19 will be used as a scapegoat for everything that goes wrong this year by everyone. Not only Brexit.

[Full Circle]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	I'm tired of the EU bashing, I wish we throw them out without a deal and let them do whatever they want. We're headed there anyway, the EU should stop accommodating. Everyone is sick of it.

Who's 'we'?

[marton]

	Quote:
	Someone on a FB forum wrote this today ''Anyone else worried that Covid 19 will just be a convenient scapegoat for crap caused by Brexit and leavers will be as committed as ever, at a time when the effects will be much much worse?'' and it seems, the answer is 'yes, I truly am'

Seems like we are drifting to a "no deal" exit because all the key players are either too busy dealing with COV-19, doing home office or simply being ill.

[Chuff]

	Quote:
	Someone on a FB forum wrote this today ''Anyone else worried that Covid 19 will just be a convenient scapegoat for crap caused by Brexit and leavers will be as committed as ever, at a time when the effects will be much much worse?'' and it seems, the answer is 'yes, I truly am'

Thanks for quoting some random person on Facebook as an excuse to launch your own views on how to connect Covid with Brexit . Very subtle.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	It's interesting to hear all the Tory concern for the impact a few weeks shutdown will do to the economy... while at the same time they don't seem to have any concern about the impact walking away from from every trade agreement they have and access to the European financial services market will have...

What a stupid thing UK did, seriously. I'm now more convinced than ever. All the inequality, the lack of equal opportunities for some and the ugliness of EU is so right in your face these days. We owe something to this coronavirus. He revealed a lot of things.

All these "freedoms" have been conceived and worked for the countries in the Western part of the continent. And UK chose to leave.

It's actually a poetic justice....to quote someone here on EF.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	It's interesting to hear all the Tory concern for the impact a few weeks shutdown will do to the economy... while at the same time they don't seem to have any concern about the impact walking away from from every trade agreement they have and access to the European financial services market will have...

This has already been covered! It's all about trade-offs, but for starters, the economic recession we're about to see thanks to the Coronavirus is about 10 times worse (probably more) than the WORST no-deal economic forecast for a no-deal Brexit. And there was nothing to prove that this would have even happened - that's the problem with models be it Climate or Economic, one can always input the data to get the result one wants to see.

At present, people see the economic price as a worthwhile trade-off to saving people's lives. Brexiteer's see national sovereignty and being outside a bureaucratic, expansionist behemoth as worthwhile trade-off to the risk of slower economic growth.

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	This has already been covered! It's all about trade-offs, but for starters, the economic recession we're about to see thanks to the Coronavirus is about 10 times worse (probably more) than the WORST no-deal economic forecast for a no-deal Brexit. And there was nothing to prove that this would have even happened - that's the problem with models be it Climate or Economic, one can always input the data to get the result one wants to see. At present, people see the economic price as a worthwhile trade-off to saving people's lives. Brexiteer's see national sovereignty and being outside a bureaucratic, expansionist behemoth as worthwhile trade-off to the risk of slower economic growth.

The poor economic forecast for Brexit is not based on models but on the fact that there are no large free trade deals with other countries ready to go even after almost 4 years.
Remember "Liam Fox promises to sign 40 free trade deals the 'second after midnight ' on the day of Brexit"; another lie.