The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[MusicChick]

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	Calling other members 'lobotimized' or 'hysterical' ...

Except I did not, Odile, and getting tired of your campaign. Lobotomized was an interviewer with Cranshaw. Hysterical was an adjective that a colleague used. People will answer to those who argue in good faith.

Back to BREXIT. How can UK stick to the plan in this major health crisis?

''Well, it can work. But nothing else will'' - I have asked you politely to explain what you meant here, re universal salary- why not try and explain, as it is very vague and I do not understand.

What campaign? You used 'lobotomized' and yes, another used 'hysterical' - how does me mentionning this adds up to a 'campaign'?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	Back to BREXIT. How can UK stick to the plan in this major health crisis?

They have no choice as they would be saddled with huge EU debt if they hang around, it would make the divorce bill seem like peanuts. As it is payments to the EU are up about 50% since the Bus advertisement.

[3Wishes]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	They have no choice as they would be saddled with huge EU debt if they hang around, it would make the divorce bill seem like peanuts. As it is payments to the EU are up about 50% since the Bus advertisement.

So the UK is still paying into the EU even though it "officially left" on Jan. 31? Is it in another transition phase, sort of like the limbo years after the vote but before BoJo won?

[Viclajina]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	They have no choice as they would be saddled with huge EU debt if they hang around, it would make the divorce bill seem like peanuts. As it is payments to the EU are up about 50% since the Bus advertisement.

The Brits through more luck than judgement got out of the EU in time by the skin of their teeth. The costs of this current crisis for the EU are going to be enormous.
The real question is , should the Germans hold their noses and pay up? Seeing as after the 2WW they had their war debt cancelled it would certainly help a little towards wiping the slate clean.

[roegner]

	Quote:	Viclajina
	The Brits through more luck than judgement got out of the EU in time by the skin of their teeth. The costs of this current crisis for the EU are going to be enormous. The real question is , should the Germans hold their noses and pay up? Seeing as after the 2WW they had their war debt cancelled it would certainly help a little towards wiping the slate clean.

If you also look at the amount of money paid into other countries to bail them out, why only Germany?

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	. People will answer to those who argue in good faith.

There you go again. This is bullshit and you know it.

You repeatedly make ambiguous, incomprehensible or unintelligible posts and then studiously ignore anybody who asks for clarification.
We are not idiots so please refrain from treating us as such.

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	Ah but some people are very picky about which posts they respond to even when asked directly and repeatedly.

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	''Well, it can work. But nothing else will'' - I have asked you politely to explain what you meant here, re universal salary- why not try and explain, as it is very vague and I do not understand.

As I said certain people are very choosy about what they reply to.
They deliberately write posts that are impossible to understand and sit back to watch the fall out.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	People will answer to those who argue in good faith.

People discuss in good faith.
People bargain in good faith.
People debate in good faith.
People never argue in good faith.

Anyway...
The UK spent over 2yrs stockpiling to prepare for the possibility of a no deal brexit. That stockpile has been decimated by the lockdown, and after talking to a number of friends in the UK over the last few days, many fully expect some form of lockdown and/or associated measures to continue to the end of the year at least.

The UK will probably be able to maintain supplies of all essential goods throughout the natural course of this pandemic and until the end of the year, but with the stockpiles gone, the prospect of a no deal brexit is increasingly likely to be calamitous.

[marton]

	Quote:	Viclajina
	The Brits through more luck than judgement got out of the EU in time by the skin of their teeth. The costs of this current crisis for the EU are going to be enormous. The real question is , should the Germans hold their noses and pay up? Seeing as after the 2WW they had their war debt cancelled it would certainly help a little towards wiping the slate clean.

West Germany had half their WWII debt cancelled in 1953, East Germany never paid anything.

[marton]

With Boris in his sickbed until at least tomorrow, it is not surprising that not much is happening.

Ironic that after so much discussion about the free movement of people so many borders in Europe are closed today. Maybe if the pandemic had hit earlier then Brexit would never have happened

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	Viclajina
	The Brits through more luck than judgement got out of the EU in time by the skin of their teeth. The costs of this current crisis for the EU are going to be enormous. The real question is , should the Germans hold their noses and pay up? Seeing as after the 2WW they had their war debt cancelled it would certainly help a little towards wiping the slate clean.

Do you think that people will go to that far in history to look for justifications, though...there is France too, other member states.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	3Wishes
	So the UK is still paying into the EU even though it "officially left" on Jan. 31? Is it in another transition phase, sort of like the limbo years after the vote but before BoJo won?

Yes they have to pay until the end of the transition period as they trade on identical terms as before leaving.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Viclajina
	The real question is , should the Germans hold their noses and pay up? Seeing as after the 2WW they had their war debt cancelled it would certainly help a little towards wiping the slate clean.

You might want to put a little time into understanding the very big advantage the German and Ireland gets out of the Euro.... and the cost it would be for either to try and replicate that outside the Euro.

[rainer_d]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	Do you think that people will go to that far in history to look for justifications, though...there is France too, other member states.

A while ago, Greece presented Germany with a 187b Euro reparations-bill.

Does that answer your question?

Desparate times bring out desperate ideas.

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	rainer_d
	A while ago, Greece presented Germany with a 187b Euro reparations-bill. Does that answer your question? Desparate times bring out desperate ideas.

I think you are right.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	People discuss in good faith. People bargain in good faith. People debate in good faith. .

Especially those whose accounts either pop up or become active around certain elections. Or referendum.

Some things go beyond money- like being part of a large group to buy PPE- or research vaccines, or a large trading group to resist Trump and China, deal with terrorism, climate issues, and so much more, etc. The list is endless.

	Quote:	MusicChick
	People will answer to those who argue in good faith.

What exactly do you mean by this?

If you don't respond then, in good faith, I'll have to draw my own conclusions.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Some things go beyond money- like being part of a large group to buy PPE- or research vaccines, or a large trading group to resist Trump and China, deal with terrorism, climate issues, and so much more, etc. The list is endless.

Actually it's better to be on you own with a higher budget, then you can get what you want when there is a shortage. Far better than being joined up with a group of bankrupt countries who cant pay the market rate

The UK has certainly not got a higher budget, and it has a very depleted currency which makes buying very difficult. Those with high value currencies have a much higher supply of PPE and anything else. All very nice to talk about making it easier to export - but export what???

No Deal Brexit was a terrible proposition before Covid19 - by the time it is over (if .. and when) the UK will be almost bankrupt and it will be even much worse. The EU will also be in trouble- but they have seen the value of cooperation in this crisis - and will be keen to work as a collaborative team to survive.