The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

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	UK formally rejects an extension to transition period

Source

No surprise really. As they say when launching ships "good luck to all who sail in her.

[fatmanfilms]

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/un...120610214.html

Unilever chooses London over Rotterdam, clearly the risk of no deal with the EU is a non event.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...ZPdTteSle1PFkA

The EU will even get a British Vaccine for Covid -19, I always thought the UK was going to get a vaccine last, oh silly me the Brits got a vaccine first.

Taking control is not looking too bad, remind me who needs an extension ?

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/un...120610214.html Unilever chooses London over Rotterdam, clearly the risk of no deal with the EU is a non event. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...ZPdTteSle1PFkA Taking control is not looking too bad, remind me who needs an extension ?

Do you even bother to read and fully understand the links you post as well as the finer points of corporate restructuring that may have had a place in the 1930's but is antiquated now. From the company statement


The group employs 2,500 people in the Netherlands and 6,000 in the UK. It said the change would have no real impact on the day-to-day running of the business. “There will be no change to the operations, locations, activities or staffing levels in either the UK or the Netherlands as a result of unification,” it said in a statement.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Mr Dog
	The group employs 2,500 people in the Netherlands and 6,000 in the UK. It said the change would have no real impact on the day-to-day running of the business. “There will be no change to the operations, locations, activities or staffing levels in either the UK or the Netherlands as a result of unification,” it said in a statement.

You clearly have a bad memory, Unilever was supposed to give up it's UK listing & move to the EU over BREXIT, however the shareholders who can sack the management did not approve of the idea. The management had to make a sharp U turn.

BREXIT was never going to make much difference which is the whole point you have missed.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	You clearly have a bad memory, Unilever was supposed to give up it's UK listing & move to the EU over BREXIT, however the shareholders who can sack the management did not approve of the idea. The management had to make a sharp U turn. BREXIT was never going to make much difference which is the whole point you have missed.

Precisely, so why raise it in connection with Brexit (whether an extension is needed) and on a thread about Brexit!

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Mr Dog
	Precisely, so why raise it in connection with Brexit (whether an extension is needed) and on a thread about Brexit!

There have been 1375 pages, with people making various claims of the many problems the UK would face as a result of BREXIT & how the UK needed a deal more than the EU.

Seems perfectly reasonable to point out I have been correct all along.

[marton]

	Quote:	John William
	Yes yet another expense to be deducted from the so called savings from the Brexit dividend - in fact with HMG getting themselves seriously committed to forking out millions if not billions of pounds of taxpayers money to setup their own Sat-nav system - that they would have otherwise have got on the cheap and as an EU member state benefit - if the UK had voted to remain in the EU and therefore have remained in the EU's Galileo sat-nav system project. So where are the savings from leaving the EU ? As all I see is extra cost to the British taxpayer thanks to Brexit !!

Seems the UK own Sat-nav system is unlikely to be successful as they bought the wrong satellites.

[John William]

So by all accounts the UK - EU Trade talks are still not going well, with many areas in which the
2 delegations disagree rather than come to any form of agreement on - so this intervention
by the ERG made me laugh !!

Dear Mr Michel Barnier

[Flying Kite]

I can believe people still speaking about Brexit, is done...
It happened ... UK economy nosedive by shrinking 1/3 in the second quarter, 2/3 of colleagues been sacked...everything is happening because of virus of course...how convenient...

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	There have been 1375 pages, with people making various claims of the many problems the UK would face as a result of BREXIT & how the UK needed a deal more than the EU. Seems perfectly reasonable to point out I have been correct all along.

The difference being, however, 4.5 years of preparation by the end of the transition phase instead of an immediate shock.

Besides, your 'puter is broken, it's only 688 pages if you use the correct settings.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	John William
	So by all accounts the UK - EU Trade talks are still not going well, with many areas in which the 2 delegations disagree rather than come to any form of agreement on - so this intervention by the ERG made me laugh !! Dear Mr Michel Barnier

So basically EU must accommodate UK even post-Brexit? I don't see why should that happen. Once you choose to get out, you're out. No more preferential treatment or anything. Theoretically. I came across some articles about a research project that involves a few countries and of course UK will be involved too, EU doesn't suck when they can take advantages... I apologise to all the decent British here, but all this Brexit thing/mess and for so many years! it has created some resentments in return of which I'm well aware..so I'll give this thread the final break.

[John William]

I know the feeling anyway only 5 more months to go before final Brexit and here's the video of just what it
could be like when Britain finally breaks free from the rest of Europe.


Britannia Re-Runs Ruling the Waves

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Boris Johnson laid out his objectives for trade on Monday and I must say I was very impressed. Parallel trade talks are going to be held with a number of other nations is a very positive step. Mr Johnson's willingness to accept trade friction at the border is also a sign that he is not desperate and won't be put off by threats. Michel Barnier also set out the EU's objectives which included the UK continuing with EU Competition and Subsidies policy, ECJ contuing to have a role, fishing access to UK waters and that the UK can never sign a better trade deal elsewhere. Sounds a lot like EU membership to me! I expect we're heading for quite a crash between the two sides, sooner rather than later.

Almost six months later &

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	Britain close to abandoning hope of Brexit trade deal The Telegraph learns Government's working assumption is that Britain will trade with Europe on World Trade Organisation terms

The International Trade Secretary, Liam Fox, had promised that a Brexit free trade deal with the EU would be the "easiest in human history."

He also promised "that Britain would immediately roll over all of the 40 free trade deals it has with non-EU countries as part of its membership."

So far 21 are signed.

From todays FT "UK abandons hope of US trade deal by end of year".

Before votind for Brexit they should have ensured the UK Government was manned by people capable of implementing a successful Brexit.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	Before votind for Brexit they should have ensured the UK Government was manned by people capable of implementing a successful Brexit.

Perhaps a successful BREXIT for BREXITERS is no deal, I don't think you thought of that.

[TonyClifton]

I had high hopes for Boris Johnson when he was elected, unfortunately the lack of competence he and his government have shown, especially with regard to their handling of Coronavirus don't give me much hope for the Brexit negotiations. My great fear is that he will panic at the last minute and sign a terrible deal before trying to sell it as a "win".

That said, watching the EU squirm their way through to an eventual bailout agreement laid bare the cracks for all to see. The can was kicked down the road and I'm not sure the EU can survive much longer in its current form.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I'm not sure the EU can survive much longer in its current form.

It's a good thing the form of the EU is about to undergo significant change, then: dropping the UK. Win all round, apparently.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	That said, watching the EU squirm their way through to an eventual bailout agreement laid bare the cracks for all to see. The can was kicked down the road and I'm not sure the EU can survive much longer in its current form.

You only have to look back at the last 40 years to see how much the EU is capable of change and reform....

On the other hand a border poll in NI and the UK is dissolved.... it only remains to be seen if GB remains in tact or not.

[John William]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I had high hopes for Boris Johnson when he was elected, unfortunately the lack of competence he and his government have shown, especially with regard to their handling of Coronavirus don't give me much hope for the Brexit negotiations. My great fear is that he will panic at the last minute and sign a terrible deal before trying to sell it as a "win". That said, watching the EU squirm their way through to an eventual bailout agreement laid bare the cracks for all to see. The can was kicked down the road and I'm not sure the EU can survive much longer in its current form.

Yes and I wonder how much longer Scotland will remain in the UK as a number of cracks in the union there as well.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Perhaps a successful BREXIT for BREXITERS is no deal, I don't think you thought of that.

We all have our own definition of success.

[TonyClifton]

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	It's a good thing the form of the EU is about to undergo significant change, then: dropping the UK. Win all round, apparently.

What's more remarkable is how in the UK's absence the EU have already found another country to kick for not going along with their grand plan, poor old Netherlands! Still at least people find it easy to knock the UK in all this whilst disregarding that the latest bailout has legitimatized the Hungarian and Polish governments and their programs.

	Quote:	John William
	Yes and I wonder how much longer Scotland will remain in the UK as a number of cracks in the union there as well.

Another casualty of Boris Johnson's dithering management of the Coronavirus. Nicola Sturgeon has looked quite the leader by comparison. Ironically not when one looks in detail at the number of deaths in care homes in Scotland though. The UK government have their work cut out to save the Union.