The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[John William]

I know the feeling anyway only 5 more months to go before final Brexit and here's the video of just what it
could be like when Britain finally breaks free from the rest of Europe.


Britannia Re-Runs Ruling the Waves

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Boris Johnson laid out his objectives for trade on Monday and I must say I was very impressed. Parallel trade talks are going to be held with a number of other nations is a very positive step. Mr Johnson's willingness to accept trade friction at the border is also a sign that he is not desperate and won't be put off by threats. Michel Barnier also set out the EU's objectives which included the UK continuing with EU Competition and Subsidies policy, ECJ contuing to have a role, fishing access to UK waters and that the UK can never sign a better trade deal elsewhere. Sounds a lot like EU membership to me! I expect we're heading for quite a crash between the two sides, sooner rather than later.

Almost six months later &

	Quote:
	Britain close to abandoning hope of Brexit trade deal The Telegraph learns Government's working assumption is that Britain will trade with Europe on World Trade Organisation terms

The International Trade Secretary, Liam Fox, had promised that a Brexit free trade deal with the EU would be the "easiest in human history."

He also promised "that Britain would immediately roll over all of the 40 free trade deals it has with non-EU countries as part of its membership."

So far 21 are signed.

From todays FT "UK abandons hope of US trade deal by end of year".

Before votind for Brexit they should have ensured the UK Government was manned by people capable of implementing a successful Brexit.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	Before votind for Brexit they should have ensured the UK Government was manned by people capable of implementing a successful Brexit.

Perhaps a successful BREXIT for BREXITERS is no deal, I don't think you thought of that.

[TonyClifton]

I had high hopes for Boris Johnson when he was elected, unfortunately the lack of competence he and his government have shown, especially with regard to their handling of Coronavirus don't give me much hope for the Brexit negotiations. My great fear is that he will panic at the last minute and sign a terrible deal before trying to sell it as a "win".

That said, watching the EU squirm their way through to an eventual bailout agreement laid bare the cracks for all to see. The can was kicked down the road and I'm not sure the EU can survive much longer in its current form.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I'm not sure the EU can survive much longer in its current form.

It's a good thing the form of the EU is about to undergo significant change, then: dropping the UK. Win all round, apparently.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	That said, watching the EU squirm their way through to an eventual bailout agreement laid bare the cracks for all to see. The can was kicked down the road and I'm not sure the EU can survive much longer in its current form.

You only have to look back at the last 40 years to see how much the EU is capable of change and reform....

On the other hand a border poll in NI and the UK is dissolved.... it only remains to be seen if GB remains in tact or not.

[John William]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I had high hopes for Boris Johnson when he was elected, unfortunately the lack of competence he and his government have shown, especially with regard to their handling of Coronavirus don't give me much hope for the Brexit negotiations. My great fear is that he will panic at the last minute and sign a terrible deal before trying to sell it as a "win". That said, watching the EU squirm their way through to an eventual bailout agreement laid bare the cracks for all to see. The can was kicked down the road and I'm not sure the EU can survive much longer in its current form.

Yes and I wonder how much longer Scotland will remain in the UK as a number of cracks in the union there as well.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Perhaps a successful BREXIT for BREXITERS is no deal, I don't think you thought of that.

We all have our own definition of success.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:
	It's a good thing the form of the EU is about to undergo significant change, then: dropping the UK. Win all round, apparently.

What's more remarkable is how in the UK's absence the EU have already found another country to kick for not going along with their grand plan, poor old Netherlands! Still at least people find it easy to knock the UK in all this whilst disregarding that the latest bailout has legitimatized the Hungarian and Polish governments and their programs.

	Quote:	John William
	Yes and I wonder how much longer Scotland will remain in the UK as a number of cracks in the union there as well.

Another casualty of Boris Johnson's dithering management of the Coronavirus. Nicola Sturgeon has looked quite the leader by comparison. Ironically not when one looks in detail at the number of deaths in care homes in Scotland though. The UK government have their work cut out to save the Union.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	What's more remarkable is how in the UK's absence the EU have already found another country to kick for not going along with their grand plan, poor old Netherlands!

We still have friends

https://www.bild.de/politik/inland/p...5582.bild.html

[JackieH]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Perhaps a successful BREXIT for BREXITERS is no deal, I don't think you thought of that.

so why was this not made clear during the campaign. Same as selling the NHS and dropping agricultural standards. Why was it not made clear?

[Flying Kite]

Is bad for all sides will suffer the ordinary people, only the top financial institution which hides money in the biggest offshore in the world(City) will have to win...The biggest winner from all of this actually should be Wall Street, but the new power from the Far East still holding on the feet, even that has been hit by taxes increment...

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Flying Kite
	Is bad for all sides will suffer the ordinary people, only the top financial institution which hides money in the biggest offshore in the world(City) will have to win...The biggest winner from all of this actually should be Wall Street, but the new power from the Far East still holding on the feet, even that has been hit by taxes increment...

Nonsense. If you have the kind of money that needs hiding you also have the means to pay the experts to do it.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Flying Kite
	Is bad for all sides will suffer the ordinary people, only the top financial institution which hides money in the biggest offshore in the world(City) will have to win...The biggest winner from all of this actually should be Wall Street, but the new power from the Far East still holding on the feet, even that has been hit by taxes increment...

I don't believe there is much 'hiding' money offshore, since rich people generally don't like prison food. Moving funds offshore is legal & tax neutral, the advantages are less regulation, the disadvantages low consumer protection.

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	You only have to look back at the last 40 years to see how much the EU is capable of change and reform....

Indeed, and certainly NOT for the better!

Tom

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Indeed, and certainly NOT for the better! Tom

Millions don't agree with you...

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Millions don't agree with you...

Although over 1 million more UK voters did, hence BREXIT.

[JackieH]

There is a VERY good reason why the Cons didn't want a second ref- and certainly wouldn't want one now even less - as the country now knows that they lied on every single front and are as corrupt as a rotten box of frogs- and would massively vote against No Deal Brexit.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	JackieH
	There is a VERY good reason why the Cons didn't want a second ref- and certainly wouldn't want one now even less - as the country now knows that they lied on every single front and are as corrupt as a rotten box of frogs- and would massively vote against No Deal Brexit.

Yet the conservatives got a landslide victory, so need to ask anyone at all. The country has spoken multiple times.

[amogles]

	Quote:	JackieH
	There is a VERY good reason why the Cons didn't want a second ref- and certainly wouldn't want one now even less - as the country now knows that they lied on every single front and are as corrupt as a rotten box of frogs- and would massively vote against No Deal Brexit.

talking about lies about Brexit, how is that outbreak of super gonorrhea and the end of western civilisation coming along?