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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 23.07.2020, 18:17
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Yet the conservatives got a landslide victory, so need to ask anyone at all. The country has spoken multiple times.
Yet anti-Brexit or anti-hard Brexit parties got about 55% of the vote. Translate that to a referendum.
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Old 23.07.2020, 18:26
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Yet the conservatives got a landslide victory, so need to ask anyone at all. The country has spoken multiple times.
You believe people voted for a Tory no deal Brexit

From the Consevative manifesto
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Old 23.07.2020, 18:28
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Yet anti-Brexit or anti-hard Brexit parties got about 55% of the vote. Translate that to a referendum.
I never knew there was a remain Party, what percentage did they get?

The Referendum was a simple remain / leave vote, nothing complicated but remainers have still not understood this. Amusingly remainers claime the people who voted for leave were stupid & did not understand
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You believe people voted for a Tory no deal Brexit

From the Consevative manifesto
They are negotiating, the EU promised a Canada style deal, now they have back tracked, not the Conservatives fault. It does show the EU can't be trusted so better not to be 'in bed' with a dishonest organisation. The EU also said Mrs May's deal was final, Boris looks like he understands negotiating, walking away from time wasting meetings is a good tactic, does not mean there won't be a deal.
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Where and when. Can you link to this so called 'promise'??? This is certainly NOT what the agreement signed by Boris and passed in Parliament says.
It is Johnson and co who have backtracked on every commitment made in said agreement.


As a newcomer here, I do wonder. Those who keep making anti EU comments or keep liking them- always the same few- are you British? Do you live in the UK? Are you affected directly by No Deal Brexit?
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Old 23.07.2020, 18:54
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They are negotiating, the EU promised a Canada style deal, now they have back tracked, not the Conservatives fault.
On the contrary it was rejected....

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The EU also said Mrs May's deal was final, Boris looks like he understands negotiating, walking away from time wasting meetings is a good tactic, does not mean there won't be a deal.
Yes Boris achieved a lot so far.... like the customs border down the Irish sea that he forgot to mention... which was exactly what the EU required before May decide to include the whole of the UK in it....
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Old 23.07.2020, 19:02
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On the contrary it was rejected....



Yes Boris achieved a lot so far.... like the customs border down the Irish sea that he forgot to mention... which was exactly what the EU required before May decide to include the whole of the UK in it....
I guess he won't have to bother now, let the EU worry about the border.
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Old 23.07.2020, 21:52
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I never knew there was a remain Party, what percentage did they get?
Well if you want to go that route, what percentage did the Brexit party get? As they were the only ones campaigning for a hard Brexit. I'll save you looking it up, it was 2%.

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They are negotiating, the EU promised a Canada style deal, now they have back tracked, not the Conservatives fault.
The Tories were parading this as their dream but the EU certainly never promised it. On the contrary, they always said it would not happen.
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As a newcomer here, I do wonder. Those who keep making anti EU comments or keep liking them- always the same few- are you British? Do you live in the UK? Are you affected directly by No Deal Brexit?
Some are British
Most don't live there - probably none do permanently
Some are Russian bots.
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Old 23.07.2020, 22:56
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I guess he won't have to bother now, let the EU worry about the border.
And as usual you show yet again your ignorance on the topic....

Remember the bit about wanting to trade on WTO terms? It does not actually require a border, but without one you'll have to give every one of the 165 WTO members the same terms.....

Mind you since 87% of imports will be at zero tariffs according to your published WTO terms, there probably won't be much motivation to do a trade deal in any case for most countries....

And of course it will be very interesting to see how Boris is going to get the 165 to agree the UK trade terms... he tossed NI under that big bus, so may be do the same to the Falklands to keep Argentina on side... but that still leaves Russia, China, Canada, New Zealand and the rest of the 20+ objectors...

The EU trade talks are just a warm up.....
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Old 24.07.2020, 14:03
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Perhaps a successful BREXIT for BREXITERS is no deal, I don't think you thought of that.
I fear that Boris Johnson's concern at the Union falling apart plus his genuine wish to get a deal will push him to signing a very bad deal at the last minute. The EU are aware of this and so I think will just bide their time. If and when this happens then he will be remembered as the Brexiteer false prophet.
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Old 24.07.2020, 14:10
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On the contrary it was rejected....
I see Ireland with 1% of EU population will be the 5th highest contributor to the rescue fund. Are the Irish happy with this arrangement?

UK has done well by leaving as it will pay ZERO
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Old 24.07.2020, 15:21
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I see Ireland with 1% of EU population will be the 5th highest contributor to the rescue fund. Are the Irish happy with this arrangement?

UK has done well by leaving as it will pay ZERO

It's not the first time that Ireland has been a net contribution and popularity of EU membership still remains above 90%...

But then again, given all the debates and arguments on EU matters in Irish politics, they are pretty good at knowing which side the bread is buttered....

Ireland has been a net exporter for over thirty years and just like Germany they benefit massively from being able to trade in an undervalued currency. The contribution is a lot less to the exchequer than the cost of trying to manage a strong currency, while preserving exports.

Of course it helps GDP per capita is about 185% of the UK and debt is down from 124% to 58% and the economy is based on high value added jobs and low taxes as well.
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It's not the first time that Ireland has been a net contribution and popularity of EU membership still remains above 90%...

But then again, given all the debates and arguments on EU matters in Irish politics, they are pretty good at knowing which side the bread is buttered....

Ireland has been a net exporter for over thirty years and just like Germany they benefit massively from being able to trade in an undervalued currency. The contribution is a lot less to the exchequer than the cost of trying to manage a strong currency, while preserving exports.

Of course it helps GDP per capita is about 185% of the UK and debt is down from 124% to 58% and the economy is based on high value added jobs and low taxes as well.
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I see Ireland with 1% of EU population will be the 5th highest contributor to the rescue fund. Are the Irish happy with this arrangement?

UK has done well by leaving as it will pay ZERO
It's really an odd one. It was clear that France and Germany were so keen to force a deal. After all, their banks are the most exposed were the Euro to fail, and the Euro would very likely fail if any of the Club Med countries were to go bust. Not to mention they will receive much of the money back in any case one way or another!

The "Frugal Four" arguments were also expected (anyone would think that the Dutch don't like to part with their money ). On a more serious note, it does seem strange that money is willingly sent from North to South in the absence of any evidence that they'll change their ways down there. Once all the money has been spent, which it undoubtedly will, then they'll just be back to square one . As I think I already said, it's a completely unsustainable approach which has just plastered over the cracks. It's no coincidence that an Italexit Political party was launched this week.

Ireland just going along with what Germany and France want is more of a surprise given how badly they've done out of this "deal". I'm sure they'll change tune, no doubt when it's far too late, once the EU really start going after Ireland over her tax laws.

What this has done is shown how the Brexit vote was important and done at the right time. Whilst the EU bailout deal is not the "Hamiltonian Moment" that some have declared, it is without doubt a step in the direction of full Federalism and all without a single vote being cast. A Federal Europe by the back door as I believe Margaret Thatcher once said.
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I'm sure they'll change tune, no doubt when it's far too late, once the EU really start going after Ireland over her tax laws.
They already have an opt out and a treaty change would require an Irish referendum...

Once again your basic lack of knowledge on display
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They already have an opt out and a treaty change would require an Irish referendum...

Once again your basic lack of knowledge on display
You must have missed the news. The EU are looking to scrap member state vetoes on tax policy. In any case, it’s hard to see how much longer national vetoes can survive with the EU moving in the direction which it is!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8729396.html
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You must have missed the news. The EU are looking to scrap member state vetoes on tax policy. In any case, it’s hard to see how much longer national vetoes can survive with the EU moving in the direction which it is!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8729396.html
A case of thank God for BREXIT.
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The "Frugal Four" arguments were also expected (anyone would think that the Dutch don't like to part with their money ). On a more serious note, it does seem strange that money is willingly sent from North to South in the absence of any evidence that they'll change their ways down there. Once all the money has been spent, which it undoubtedly will, then they'll just be back to square one . As I think I already said, it's a completely unsustainable approach which has just plastered over the cracks. It's no coincidence that an Italexit Political party was launched this week.
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I'm with the "frugal" ones here. I can't stand the fact that there are no conditions for the EU money, as a result of negotiations and imposed by certain countries. Instead of finding a way to give those much needed money directly to projects or companies that need investments they're going first to bureaucracy and govs.

But, this is what countries voted for.

And certain parties/persons in Italy would love to be allowed to be as (fiscally, budgetary) indisciplined and for as long as they want, totally ignoring the euro zone rules they signed for being accepted.

While you might be right on this one, choosing to side with parties that actually want exactly what you dislike, it's rather strange. Imagine Ukip and Farage. I really hope this party won't develop the same strategies because this time around EU will be forced to take an official position. And it won't be good for Italy. Italy is not in the insular UK's position. Don't think it's fun to watch EU burning down, since UK is out and all that, it is not. It will be not, this time around.

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You must have missed the news. The EU are looking to scrap member state vetoes on tax policy. In any case, it’s hard to see how much longer national vetoes can survive with the EU moving in the direction which it is!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8729396.html
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It is an idea, not a decision.
It's bound to happen, making tax 'fair' by reducing competition, blame it on the lefties.
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