View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen? |
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union
|    | 49 | 23.11% |
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU
|    | 68 | 32.08% |
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK
|    | 22 | 10.38% |
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing
|    | 23 | 10.85% |
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us
|    | 17 | 8.02% |
I don't really care
|    | 33 | 15.57% |  | | | 
29.07.2020, 21:42
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Generally speaking your friends are not very reliable with it comes to something like this... they tend to be people of a similar disposition, who won't contradict you to much for friendship sake.  | | | | |
Great. Now we are the people that love caravans, drugs and Germans...
| The following 4 users would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
29.07.2020, 23:45
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 12,636
Groaned at 765 Times in 646 Posts
Thanked 25,054 Times in 13,108 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in
My impression is that the EU has given up on Brexit and are focussing on other stuff.
| This user would like to thank marton for this useful post: | | 
29.07.2020, 23:48
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Verbier
Posts: 21,365
Groaned at 461 Times in 352 Posts
Thanked 23,091 Times in 11,824 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | My impression is that the EU has given up on Brexit and are focussing on other stuff. | | | | | Trying to survive will be important going forward, as German cars are so well built the Brits can delay replacing for many years | The following 3 users would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post: | | 
30.07.2020, 00:56
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SG
Posts: 10,854
Groaned at 720 Times in 527 Posts
Thanked 14,865 Times in 7,783 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | What a deal! It'll boost UK's economy by a humungous 0.05%!
At best.
And, either the parts that overlap with the EU-Japan FTA conform with that agreement or the EU is likely to block it. | Quote: |  | | | A free trade deal could increase trade flows between the UK and Tokyo by £15.2 billion, boosting the British economy by £1.5 billion, according to a government analysis. | | | | | | This user would like to thank Urs Max for this useful post: | | 
30.07.2020, 10:53
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Hopefully soon to be Aargau
Posts: 2,313
Groaned at 1,169 Times in 662 Posts
Thanked 5,944 Times in 2,675 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | What a deal! It'll boost UK's economy by a humungous 0.05%!
At best.
And, either the parts that overlap with the EU-Japan FTA conform with that agreement or the EU is likely to block it. | | | | | Yet the FTA struck between the EU and Japan was a momentous occasion to be celebrated  I think the speed with which the UK and Japan are looking to close this deal is something to be commended. Interesting how it's the grown up countries like Switzerland, South Korea and Japan who seem to be the most pragmatic to find a best way forward following the Brexit vote without point scoring.
With regard to the value of the deal, I think it is expecting too much to presume a single trade deal will ever knock economic growth out of the park. Trade deals will only ever see iterative economic benefit. The main economic advantage of Brexit is having full control over how the economy is run without having to work within the boundary conditions set by the EU. This is why it is of upmost importance that the UK continues to stand firm on the so called "level playing field" requirements the the EU is attempting to insert into any trade agreement.
| 
30.07.2020, 11:03
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 12,636
Groaned at 765 Times in 646 Posts
Thanked 25,054 Times in 13,108 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Yet the FTA struck between the EU and Japan was a momentous occasion to be celebrated I think the speed with which the UK and Japan are looking to close this deal is something to be commended. Interesting how it's the grown up countries like Switzerland, South Korea and Japan who seem to be the most pragmatic to find a best way forward following the Brexit vote without point scoring.
With regard to the value of the deal, I think it is expecting too much to presume a single trade deal will ever knock economic growth out of the park. Trade deals will only ever see iterative economic benefit. The main economic advantage of Brexit is having full control over how the economy is run without having to work within the boundary conditions set by the EU. This is why it is of upmost importance that the UK continues to stand firm on the so called "level playing field" requirements the the EU is attempting to insert into any trade agreement. | | | | | The FTA struck between the EU and Japan was the world's biggest such deal, it covers nearly a third of global GDP and 635 million people so, of course, it was a momentous occasion to be celebrated.
Some more details. | This user would like to thank marton for this useful post: | | 
30.07.2020, 12:12
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kt. Bern
Posts: 6,125
Groaned at 402 Times in 287 Posts
Thanked 10,112 Times in 4,413 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | The main economic advantage of Brexit is having full control over how the economy is run without having to work within the boundary conditions set by the EU. This is why it is of upmost importance that the UK continues to stand firm on the so called "level playing field" requirements the the EU is attempting to insert into any trade agreement. | | | | | And here we go again....
When you allow another country the level of access to your market that the Canadian and Japanese trade agreements give, you need to ensure that the other country is not able to take unfair advantage of you and that third countries are not able to use the agreement as a back door to your market.
That is why both agreements contain a clause requiring mutual agreement of the parties before either party can give a similar agreement to a third country such as the UK for instance.
Expecting experienced trade negotiators from the EU, the USA, Canada, Japan etc to disadvantage their countries to the extent necessary to give you the kind of deal you demand is childish.
But no doubt Boris has expectations that he can convince you it happened, after all he got you to happily accept a Withdrawal Agreement that included all the termS set out originally by the EU including a customs border down the Irish Sea.
__________________
"There is no passion to be found playing small - in settling for a life that is less than the one you are capable of living." - Nelson Mandela
| The following 3 users would like to thank Jim2007 for this useful post: | | 
30.07.2020, 12:45
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Zurich
Posts: 12,359
Groaned at 336 Times in 272 Posts
Thanked 26,263 Times in 11,000 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Generally speaking your friends are not very reliable with it comes to something like this... they tend to be people of a similar disposition, who won't contradict you to much for friendship sake.  | | | | | It is perfectly possibly to have a positive disposition towards Germany while disliking its leadership.
I have a positive dispoition towards quite a few European countries while disapproving of their leadership.
| This user would like to thank amogles for this useful post: | | 
30.07.2020, 13:02
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Hopefully soon to be Aargau
Posts: 2,313
Groaned at 1,169 Times in 662 Posts
Thanked 5,944 Times in 2,675 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | But no doubt Boris has expectations that he can convince you it happened, after all he got you to happily accept a Withdrawal Agreement that included all the termS set out originally by the EU including a customs border down the Irish Sea. | | | | | This isn't true, all obligations regarding the level playing field were successfully removed by Boris Johnson from the Withdraw Agreement and transferred to the non-legally binding political declaration. This could yet prove important if the EU and UK do not come to a trade agreement.
| This user would like to thank TonyClifton for this useful post: | | 
30.07.2020, 18:58
| Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Zurich
Posts: 596
Groaned at 116 Times in 84 Posts
Thanked 1,699 Times in 895 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Trying to survive will be important going forward, as German cars are so well built the Brits can delay replacing for many years  | | | | | Must say it's unlike you to play down the quality of British workmanship.
| 
30.07.2020, 19:10
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Verbier
Posts: 21,365
Groaned at 461 Times in 352 Posts
Thanked 23,091 Times in 11,824 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Must say it's unlike you to play down the quality of British workmanship. | | | | | Just compare the reliability of a BMW mini made in the UK v a BMW made in Germany.
| 
30.07.2020, 22:36
| Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Zurich
Posts: 596
Groaned at 116 Times in 84 Posts
Thanked 1,699 Times in 895 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Just compare the reliability of a BMW mini made in the UK v a BMW made in Germany. | | | | | So the EU member state of Germany has it's good points after all.
Vorsprung durch Technik !
| 
31.07.2020, 01:12
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kt. Bern
Posts: 6,125
Groaned at 402 Times in 287 Posts
Thanked 10,112 Times in 4,413 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | This isn't true, all obligations regarding the level playing field were successfully removed by Boris Johnson from the Withdraw Agreement and transferred to the non-legally binding political declaration. | | | | | That's because the were never in it the first place, no wonder Boris finds it so easy to pull the wool over your eyes.
| The following 2 users would like to thank Jim2007 for this useful post: | | 
31.07.2020, 08:11
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Verbier
Posts: 21,365
Groaned at 461 Times in 352 Posts
Thanked 23,091 Times in 11,824 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | So the EU member state of Germany has it's good points after all.
Vorsprung durch Technik ! | | | | | Trading is one thing, a political alliance something else. Ted Heath mislead parliament on this before the UK joined the EEC.
| This user would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post: | | 
31.07.2020, 09:05
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 12,636
Groaned at 765 Times in 646 Posts
Thanked 25,054 Times in 13,108 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Yet the FTA struck between the EU and Japan was a momentous occasion to be celebrated I think the speed with which the UK and Japan are looking to close this deal is something to be commended. Interesting how it's the grown up countries like Switzerland, South Korea and Japan who seem to be the most pragmatic to find a best way forward following the Brexit vote without point scoring.
With regard to the value of the deal, I think it is expecting too much to presume a single trade deal will ever knock economic growth out of the park. Trade deals will only ever see iterative economic benefit. The main economic advantage of Brexit is having full control over how the economy is run without having to work within the boundary conditions set by the EU. This is why it is of upmost importance that the UK continues to stand firm on the so called "level playing field" requirements the the EU is attempting to insert into any trade agreement. | | | | | "This is why it is of upmost importance that the UK continues to stand firm on the so called "level playing field" requirements the the EU is attempting to insert into any trade agreement."
It takes two to tango! Japan, like every other possible UK trade partner, will not risk upsetting the huge EU trade bloc by faiiing to conform to their own EU trade agreement. The UK is too small a trade partner.
| 
31.07.2020, 09:06
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kt.Zh
Posts: 12,542
Groaned at 494 Times in 409 Posts
Thanked 19,916 Times in 10,059 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Generally speaking your friends are not very reliable with it comes to something like this... they tend to be people of a similar disposition, who won't contradict you to much for friendship sake. | | | | | In general people tell you what they think you want to hear...it's human nature.
| 
31.07.2020, 09:10
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Verbier
Posts: 21,365
Groaned at 461 Times in 352 Posts
Thanked 23,091 Times in 11,824 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | In general people tell you what they think you want to hear...it's human nature. | | | | | I have never been so wet as to do that.
| The following 2 users would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post: | | 
31.07.2020, 09:30
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kt.Zh
Posts: 12,542
Groaned at 494 Times in 409 Posts
Thanked 19,916 Times in 10,059 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | And here we go again....
When you allow another country the level of access to your market that the Canadian and Japanese trade agreements give, you need to ensure that the other country is not able to take unfair advantage of you and that third countries are not able to use the agreement as a back door to your market.
| | | | | Wonder how many Indian companies for instance had access on the EU market via UK... Of course people will talk only about Chinese investors....all these unearned privileges will vanish and rightly so.
| 
31.07.2020, 10:25
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kt.Zh
Posts: 12,542
Groaned at 494 Times in 409 Posts
Thanked 19,916 Times in 10,059 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | If the fiscal policy is fair and well designed, then yes, absolutely. The problem is that member countries have totally different visions on taxation. | | | | | What do you think it would be fair or well designed? Some countries have a high level of (progressive) taxation and others are more like what we'd call a fiscal paradise.
What happenes now is that certain companies that have total access to resources and privileges in an EU country transfer all their profits to that EU fiscal paradise and that is unfair for the host countries. Taxes that could be used to increase the level/quality of public services and reduce discrepancies within EU are simply not there. Gone with the wind.
Do you think that is fair?
| 
31.07.2020, 11:18
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | What do you think it would be fair or well designed? Some countries have a high level of (progressive) taxation and others are more like what we'd call a fiscal paradise.
What happenes now is that certain companies that have total access to resources and privileges in an EU country transfer all their profits to that EU fiscal paradise and that is unfair for the host countries. Taxes that could be used to increase the level/quality of public services and reduce discrepancies within EU are simply not there. Gone with the wind.
Do you think that is fair? | | | | | No, not fair. I fully agree with you.
You need to push the same tax system to all member states but it would probably be impossible to achieve that as there are so many different interests.
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 15 (0 members and 15 guests) | | Thread Tools | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT +2. The time now is 06:40. | |