The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[John William]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Just compare the reliability of a BMW mini made in the UK v a BMW made in Germany.

So the EU member state of Germany has it's good points after all.

Vorsprung durch Technik !

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	This isn't true, all obligations regarding the level playing field were successfully removed by Boris Johnson from the Withdraw Agreement and transferred to the non-legally binding political declaration.

That's because the were never in it the first place, no wonder Boris finds it so easy to pull the wool over your eyes.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	John William
	So the EU member state of Germany has it's good points after all. Vorsprung durch Technik !

Trading is one thing, a political alliance something else. Ted Heath mislead parliament on this before the UK joined the EEC.

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Yet the FTA struck between the EU and Japan was a momentous occasion to be celebrated I think the speed with which the UK and Japan are looking to close this deal is something to be commended. Interesting how it's the grown up countries like Switzerland, South Korea and Japan who seem to be the most pragmatic to find a best way forward following the Brexit vote without point scoring. With regard to the value of the deal, I think it is expecting too much to presume a single trade deal will ever knock economic growth out of the park. Trade deals will only ever see iterative economic benefit. The main economic advantage of Brexit is having full control over how the economy is run without having to work within the boundary conditions set by the EU. This is why it is of upmost importance that the UK continues to stand firm on the so called "level playing field" requirements the the EU is attempting to insert into any trade agreement.

"This is why it is of upmost importance that the UK continues to stand firm on the so called "level playing field" requirements the the EU is attempting to insert into any trade agreement."

It takes two to tango! Japan, like every other possible UK trade partner, will not risk upsetting the huge EU trade bloc by faiiing to conform to their own EU trade agreement. The UK is too small a trade partner.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Generally speaking your friends are not very reliable with it comes to something like this... they tend to be people of a similar disposition, who won't contradict you to much for friendship sake.

In general people tell you what they think you want to hear...it's human nature.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	greenmount
	In general people tell you what they think you want to hear...it's human nature.

I have never been so wet as to do that.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	And here we go again.... When you allow another country the level of access to your market that the Canadian and Japanese trade agreements give, you need to ensure that the other country is not able to take unfair advantage of you and that third countries are not able to use the agreement as a back door to your market.

Wonder how many Indian companies for instance had access on the EU market via UK... Of course people will talk only about Chinese investors....all these unearned privileges will vanish and rightly so.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	If the fiscal policy is fair and well designed, then yes, absolutely. The problem is that member countries have totally different visions on taxation.

What do you think it would be fair or well designed? Some countries have a high level of (progressive) taxation and others are more like what we'd call a fiscal paradise.

What happenes now is that certain companies that have total access to resources and privileges in an EU country transfer all their profits to that EU fiscal paradise and that is unfair for the host countries. Taxes that could be used to increase the level/quality of public services and reduce discrepancies within EU are simply not there. Gone with the wind.
Do you think that is fair?

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	greenmount
	What do you think it would be fair or well designed? Some countries have a high level of (progressive) taxation and others are more like what we'd call a fiscal paradise. What happenes now is that certain companies that have total access to resources and privileges in an EU country transfer all their profits to that EU fiscal paradise and that is unfair for the host countries. Taxes that could be used to increase the level/quality of public services and reduce discrepancies within EU are simply not there. Gone with the wind. Do you think that is fair?

No, not fair. I fully agree with you.

You need to push the same tax system to all member states but it would probably be impossible to achieve that as there are so many different interests.

[amogles]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Trading is one thing, a political alliance something else. Ted Heath mislead parliament on this before the UK joined the EEC.

Ted Heath was OK.

The EEC of the day was a totally different beast to the EU of today .

Had the spirit of those days survived , I don’t think anybody would have even demanded a Brexit

[amogles]

	Quote:	greenmount
	In general people tell you what they think you want to hear...it's human nature.

Are you speaking for yourself?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	amogles
	Ted Heath was OK. The EEC of the day was a totally different beast to the EU of today . Had the spirit of those days survived , I don’t think anybody would have even demanded a Brexit

So why did British voters continue to elect government after government that committed the country to the EU concept then????

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	So why did British voters continue to elect government after government that committed the country to the EU concept then????

EU isn't exactly a model of transparency. It took a while to see what rhetorics or promises didn't correspond with actions.

[JackieH]

WTO and Trump are of course, much much clearer

[greenmount]

	Quote:	amogles
	Are you speaking for yourself?

Judging by my EF record...obviously NOT. lol
Why so aggressive though? It was just an opinion based on my experiences, obv. Sorry if I triggered you. I find it funny you didn't address Jim's post but mine, but hey ho, so predictable....

[greenmount]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	EU isn't exactly a model of transparency. It took a while to see what rhetorics or promises didn't correspond with actions.

"EU" is made up of EU politicians who come from all EU countries. It is not such a rarified and unintelligible concept.

I have noticed people don't understand how it works, wonder whose fault it is. So far it's the media that "educates" us which is a bit strange.


Not to you specifically, but how many people know, for instance, that everyone can start and submit a petition in regards with an EU legislative area?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	EU isn't exactly a model of transparency. It took a while to see what rhetorics or promises didn't correspond with actions.

It took for 40 years for British voters to figure out what they wanted.... Boris has a long future in that case...

Oh and as for the promises etc... they came from your own government, they were responsible for ratify the changes and no one forced them to do so.

[amogles]

	Quote:	greenmount
	"EU" is made up of EU politicians who come from all EU countries. It is not such a rarified and unintelligible concept.

Wonderful .

Politicians coming from different countries is a guarantee that they must be totally transparent .

Shame on the doubters .

[amogles]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Judging by my EF record...obviously NOT. lol Why so aggressive though? It was just an opinion based on my experiences, obv. Sorry if I triggered you. I find it funny you didn't address Jim's post but mine, but hey ho, so predictable....

So are you speaking for Jim ?

Or are you speaking for yourself ?

[amogles]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	It took for 40 years for British voters to figure out what they wanted.... Boris has a long future in that case... Oh and as for the promises etc... they came from your own government, they were responsible for ratify the changes and no one forced them to do so.

What would the consequences of not ratifying have been ?

There are plenty of instances of past UK governments having protested against EU positions and often going back and renegotiating , which often earned them the ire of the rest of the EU .

It is simply not true that legislation was blindly rubber stamped .