The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	News emerging that the UK and Japan will imminently conclude a trade agreement that will allow seamless transition from the EU-Japan EPA that will no longer be valid when the UK leaves the EU at the end of this year. Reports also suggest that the trade agreement will go beyond that agreed between Japan and the EU in some areas. This in spite some members on this forum, in a complete misunderstanding of how Most Favoured Nation clauses operate, suggesting that the EU would need to "approve" any trade deal between the UK and countries like Japan where the EU already has trade agreements in place

Article here with details on the EU MFN clauses in various FTAs.

The challenge for the UK is in obtaining an MFN compliant agreement on services which comprise around 40% of UK exports to the EU, the article gives more detail on this.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	News emerging that the UK and Japan will imminently conclude a trade agreement that will allow seamless transition from the EU-Japan EPA that will no longer be valid when the UK leaves the EU at the end of this year. Reports also suggest that the trade agreement will go beyond that agreed between Japan and the EU in some areas. This in spite some members on this forum, in a complete misunderstanding of how Most Favoured Nation clauses operate, suggesting that the EU would need to "approve" any trade deal between the UK and countries like Japan where the EU already has trade agreements in place

These would be the reports you read in the Dandy and the Beno... go read the actual trade agreements.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	These would be the reports you read in the Dandy and the Beno... go read the actual trade agreements.

Case in point, Fintan O'Toole here will be telling us next that an Irish referendum is needed to approve the UK-Japan trade deal

[JackieH]

In the meantime, Duncan-Smith and co are now saying that the amazing 'oven ready deal' they concocted, approved, voted for, signed with EU - is somehow favouring the EU and that they are no happy with it. And only days after they voted to stop the HoC and MPs from debating any deal.


It has been said before, but YOU TRULY COULD NOT MAKE IT UP

[squeezethecroc]

	Quote:	JackieH
	In the meantime, Duncan-Smith and co...

Listening to James O'Brian on LBC to other day, I learnt that Ian Duncan Smith insisted on always being referred to with his whole name, including his middle name Duncan. According to James O'Brian he hoped that this would make him seem bigger, posher and altogether more important.

	Quote:	squeezethecroc
	Listening to James O'Brian on LBC to other day, I learnt that Ian Duncan Smith insisted on always being referred to with his whole name, including his middle name Duncan. According to James O'Brian he hoped that this would make him seem bigger, posher and altogether more important.

I'll bet he likes people to spell the "Iain" part correctly, too...

But to be fair, if he wanted to sound posh and grand, wouldn't he insist on everybody acknowledging his knighthood? Problem is, then they would call him "Sir George", Iain being his middle name. Duncan is part of his surname -- Duncan Smith, a double-barrelled (but not hyphenated) surname. His father had the same surname.

[JackieH]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...0Kyes16qGe-hRw

[TonyClifton]

It is really looking evermore likely that the the UK-Japanese FTA will go beyond that agreed between the EU and Japan! After years of being told that "only trading blocs can get good trade deals" or nonsense like "the EU will have to approve any deals made between the UK and countries that already have trade agreements in place with the EU", this could be the first real success story of Brexit! One always thought the argument illogical that an individual country couldn't get a trade deal better tailored to her economy rather than having to take into account the needs of 28 very different countries.

I expect the argument will now pivot to finding fault with the expected benefits of the trade agreement. "It's only £15 billion a year"

https://www.facebook.com/39591219045...005684245/?d=n

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53697547

[marton]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	I'm not Falsify MSM, Inc. In fact that's what real journalism is for. Like ksdk.com on the McCloskeys. The first two are influenza outbreaks, Wuhan virus, another suggestion, follows the same pattern. MERS isn't the virus but the disease it causes. German measles is colloquial, "official" name (to call it that) is rubella. And that's just from memory, there's bound to be many more. To put it short, there is no general naming scheme, therefore no officially correct name. But it's Trump's suggestion, therefore it's racist to call Covid-19 "China virus". As if China didn't consist of many, probably dozens, individual nations and ethnicities.

Trump is now calling it the "China Plague"?

	Quote:
	Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump More Testing, which is a good thing (we have the most in the world), equals more Cases, which is Fake News Gold. They use Cases to demean the incredible job being done by the great men & women of the U.S. fighting the China Plague! 2:33 PM · Aug 11, 2020

Anybody remember why this is in the Brexit thread?

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	squeezethecroc
	Listening to James O'Brian on LBC to other day, I learnt that Ian Duncan Smith insisted on always being referred to with his whole name, including his middle name Duncan. According to James O'Brian he hoped that this would make him seem bigger, posher and altogether more important.

It's not his middle name!

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	It is really looking evermore likely that the the UK-Japanese FTA will go beyond that agreed between the EU and Japan! After years of being told that "only trading blocs can get good trade deals" or nonsense like "the EU will have to approve any deals made between the UK and countries that already have trade agreements in place with the EU", this could be the first real success story of Brexit! One always thought the argument illogical that an individual country couldn't get a trade deal better tailored to her economy rather than having to take into account the needs of 28 very different countries. I expect the argument will now pivot to finding fault with the expected benefits of the trade agreement. "It's only £15 billion a year" https://www.facebook.com/39591219045...005684245/?d=n https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53697547

Too soon for a victory dance, need to wait until there are signatures on paper.
The whole thing could collapse.

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	It's not his middle name!

And Ia(i)n isn't even his first name!

It's a good thing nobody else posted that information, otherwise it would sound quite echoey around here...

	Quote:
	I'll bet he likes people to spell the "Iain" part correctly, too... But to be fair, if he wanted to sound posh and grand, wouldn't he insist on everybody acknowledging his knighthood? Problem is, then they would call him "Sir George", Iain being his middle name. Duncan is part of his surname -- Duncan Smith, a double-barrelled (but not hyphenated) surname. His father had the same surname.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:
	And Ia(i)n isn't even his first name! It's a good thing nobody else posted that information, otherwise it would sound quite echoey around here...

Until the flouncing of a handful of left wing remainers, this thread had become an echo chamber. The forum is a much nicer place without them, I don't suppose you ever thought of flouncing

[JackieH]

Are you really that narrow minded that you believe Brexit is about 'left and right'? Really?



If so a flounce would be very apt.

[marton]

Is it good when people leave?

[NickyTuesday]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Until the flouncing of a handful of left wing remainers, this thread had become an echo chamber. The forum is a much nicer place without them, I don't suppose you ever thought of flouncing

Dunno mate. Seems pretty much an echo chamber now. Forum seems pretty boring to me.

You seem pretty mean spirited judging by this post.

	Quote:	JackieH
	Are you really that narrow minded that you believe Brexit is about 'left and right'? Really?

Ha. It isn't at all is it.

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	marton
	Attachment 140039 Is it good when people leave?

I guess it is to some people if the people who leave are the ones who always oppose you.

Personally I think it makes things pretty boring.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	NickyTuesday
	You seem pretty mean spirited judging by this post.

Somewhat young in cheek, the person is a moderator

	Quote:	marton
	Attachment 140039 Is it good when people leave?

Most were trouble makers, so yes.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Somewhat young in cheek, the person is a moderator

Positively cherubic

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Until the flouncing of a handful of left wing remainers, this thread had become an echo chamber. The forum is a much nicer place without them, I don't suppose you ever thought of flouncing

Tut tut FMF. That's far from gentlemanly behaviour.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Most were trouble makers, so yes.

Correction. Most were highly educated people who could run rings around you, and you never were able to construct a good case to put forward your position. Debating with you is like shooting fish in a barrel. People with an active mind get bored of that and move on to something more stimulating. You were a fish in a small pond. Now you're a goldfish in a bowl. There's a whole ocean out there of far more interesting people to exchange ideas with.

Now...selling Stilton to the Japanese, a nation which rarely touches dairy products.