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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 07.10.2020, 18:21
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

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This IS the negotiation. Neither side are folding, they are coming to an agreement.
Another major UK concession forecast
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Boris Johnson is prepared to make a major compromise to secure security ties with the EU by pledging in a deal on the future relationship not to rip up the Human Rights Act.
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Presumably, means the Act would continue to be enforced by the European Court of Human Rights? So what happened to sovereignty
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Old 07.10.2020, 23:57
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Like he promised he would uphold the Withdrawal agreement?
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Old 08.10.2020, 23:35
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The thing most stressing me out about Brexit right now, is pet travel.

Looking at gov.uk, the UK is going to keep things the same, so a pet on a Swiss passport traveling through France to UK won't have to do anything different than they do today.

The UK has applied to be a listed country in the EU, in which case coming back would remain the same. If the EU make the UK an unlisted country, UK pets will have to jump through rabies hoops to go to the EU. What I can't figure out (because gov.uk don't seem to cover this clearly), is what happens if you have a pet with a EU/Swiss passport and want to return from visiting the UK. Do you have to jump through those hoops because you've been in the UK? Or is it the passport that matters?

Driving me nuts. This and Covid are really screwing with my travel planning. Would really help if the EU could just make a decision.
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Old 09.10.2020, 18:47
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Swiss ID cards will no longer be valid for travel to the UK from October 1st 2021. You'll need your passport.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/uk-gove...-2021/46085806
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Old 09.10.2020, 19:15
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Swiss ID cards will no longer be valid for travel to the UK from October 1st 2021. You'll need your passport.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/uk-gove...-2021/46085806
Or any other European ID cards.
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Old 10.10.2020, 04:11
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Or any other European ID cards.
Or in the case of Ireland, no cards or passports as they intend to continue to maintain the CTA. So no border checks.....
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So in the name of 'getting back control and our own free Democracy' we are now watching the increasingly speedy destruction of our Sovereign Parliamentary Democracy' in order to be sold crap from the USA and elsewhere, and to sell our NHS in return.


Brilliant - not!


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...ts/ar-BB19TNU3
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Old 11.10.2020, 17:41
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Control has been taken back all right, from democratic accountable institutions and right into the hands of an elite few such as Cummings, Moggs and various invisible donors. Johnson is just the puppet, if you squeeze your eyes I swear you can see the strings.
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Old 11.10.2020, 21:31
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Indeed- I also do wonder what they also 'got on him' ?
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

At last the first hard border in the United Kingdom following Britain's withdrawl from the EU on the
31st January 2020, although it's not where they expected it to be between Wales and England
rather than between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland.

The Guardian - Could Coronavirus tear England & Wales apart ?


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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Well here it is - the Welsh start their travel ban on the English, so could the Scots close the border as well ?

BBC News - Wales to ban travel from UK hotspots
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Appears like more bluster to me. Neither side can really afford no deal, and this will make the inevitable u turn all the more humiliating.
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Old 16.10.2020, 18:57
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The Law of unintended consequences strikes again!

Pretty little English villages who voted for Brexit now find themselves to be the future homes for gigantic overflow lorry parks.
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He looks like a schoolboy who's been caught smoking behind the sheds. Only the schoolboy would have a better grip on economics and international diplomacy.

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Appears like more bluster to me. Neither side can really afford no deal, and this will make the inevitable u turn all the more humiliating.
I love the way you still think the EU needs the UK. It's touching, somehow.
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Old 16.10.2020, 22:44
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I love the way you still think the EU needs the UK. It's touching, somehow.
Well they do, take a look at the several thousand strong French fishing industry currently all on tenterhooks if you need an example.

Funny to hear Monsieur Macron today aping the the old Brexit cry of "they need us more than we need them!" today. The adults realise this isn't a zero sum game which is why I still think a deal will be struck.

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Well they do, take a look at the several thousand strong French fishing industry currently all on tenterhooks if you need an example.

Funny to hear Monsieur Macron today aping the the old Brexit cry of "they need us more than we need them!" today. The adults realise this isn't a zero sum game which is why I still think a deal will be struck.
Ah yes, the several thousand strong French fishing industry is a major part of the 450 million people in the EU.
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Old 17.10.2020, 13:51
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No surprise
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Credit ratings agency points to weak economic growth for its decision to lower Britain's investment grade by one notch to Aa3
The downward spiral in action.

Moody's rate the EU as Aaa which is three steps above the UK.
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The downward spiral in action.

Moody's rate the EU as Aaa which is three steps above the UK.
They rated Lehman Brothers A 5 days before they collapsed. You can take it with a pinch of salt. UK has never defaulted like CH & USA. Shame you cant say the same about the constituents of the EURO.

In a very low interest rate environment credit rating makes virtually no difference.
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Well they do, take a look at the several thousand strong French fishing industry currently all on tenterhooks if you need an example.

Funny to hear Monsieur Macron today aping the the old Brexit cry of "they need us more than we need them!" today. The adults realise this isn't a zero sum game which is why I still think a deal will be struck.
Well they took their time but it seems the old Brexit cliché is now coming to pass and German car makers are indeed putting pressure on the EU to agree a deal

https://www.ft.com/content/720671e0-...b-f34518ca4de8
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