The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Dinivan]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	They rated Lehman Brothers A 5 days before they collapsed. You can take it with a pinch of salt. UK has never defaulted like CH & USA. Shame you cant say the same about the constituents of the EURO. In a very low interest rate environment credit rating makes virtually no difference.

Only NZ, Denmark, Thailand, Australia, the USA and Canada have never defaulted on their loans. The last time the UK defaulted was in 1932 on its WW1 debts to the USA. It probably would have also defaulted in 1976 had it been not for the IMF bailout on that year (the largest ever loan ever granted by the institution until then).

[John William]

When reflecting on the British governments vaunted Australian style 'points based system'
to attract the best and the brightest to the UK ( namely those who can boast University
degrees or better to their name ) after closing the doors to EU citizens with lower
or questionable academic achievements and qualifications.

That they say British business is crying out for post Brexit.

You've got to laugh when the 'real skills British business is crying out for'
are like those that can ensure food gets on British dinner tables like meat processing workers.

As usual it looks like 'the real skills shortages' in post Brexit Britain are in jobs that most
Brits reckon are beneath them again !!

BBC News - Shortage of EU Poultry workers could hit Christmas dinner

[marton]

	Quote:	John William
	When reflecting on the British governments vaunted Australian style 'points based system' to attract the best and the brightest to the UK ( namely those who can boast University degrees or better to their name ) after closing the doors to EU citizens with lower or questionable academic achievements and qualifications. That they say British business is crying out for post Brexit. You've got to laugh when the 'real skills British business is crying out for' are like those that can ensure food gets on British dinner tables like meat processing workers. As usual it looks like 'the real skills shortages' in post Brexit Britain are in jobs that most Brits reckon are beneath them again !! BBC News - Shortage of EU Poultry workers could hit Christmas dinner

Agree, what a farce.

Every year at least eighty thousand job vacancies related to growing, harvesting, and packing fruits, vegetables, and edible horticulture have to be filled by unskilled foreign workers.

[marton]

Seems Brexit was not about stopping immigration after all.
Skilled migrants will no longer be required to earn £35,800 to be able to settle in the UK but instead will be lowered to £25,600 under the rules which were quietly slipped out on Thursday and take effect on December 1.

Unskilled migrants on salaries of just £20,480 but with enough points to be allowed into the UK to plug gaps in shortage jobs will also be entitled to settle in Britain after six years and become citizens.”

[JackieH]

Ah but the British gutter, ooops, tabloid press is going crazy about petty EU refusing fast process through EU queues at airports from 1st of Jan. They are all theatening to go to Turkey instead - so that is going to be a .... massive queue, no? Just could not make it up - once again.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Ah but the British gutter, ooops, tabloid press is going crazy about petty EU refusing fast process through EU queues at airports from 1st of Jan. They are all theatening to go to Turkey instead - so that is going to be a .... massive queue, no? Just could not make it up - once again.

Turkey is cheaper & if the queues are the same, then Turkey wins.

[JackieH]

If all the tourists who go to 27 EU countries + Switzerland all switch to Turkey- that queue will be massive no?


For skiing it is not the perfect location either, hey?


Now I am sure the Brexiters would be more than happy to ask Turkey for a UK fast queue - and RECIPROCATE ahaha. Remember that Farage poster and all the Brexiter threats re Turkey joining the EU? You just could not make it up. BTW I am sure Bulgaria or Romania are not more expensive than Turkey, and have wonderful beaches.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	JackieH
	If all the tourists who go to 27 EU countries + Switzerland all switch to Turkey- that queue will be massive no? For skiing it is not the perfect location either, hey? Now I am sure the Brexiters would be more than happy to ask Turkey for a UK fast queue - and RECIPROCATE ahaha. Remember that Farage poster and all the Brexiter threats re Turkey joining the EU? You just could not make it up. BTW I am sure Bulgaria or Romania are not more expensive than Turkey, and have wonderful beaches.

TBH the difference in Queue length arriving in CH is negligible, I often take the ALL Passport line as it's shorter than the EU line.

[JackieH]

Perhaps a bit different if you go to Benidorm- they are the ones going crazy and venting in the Express and the like.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Perhaps a bit different if you go to Benidorm- they are the ones going crazy and venting in the Express and the like.

Never been to Benidorm, never will, my wife went as a kid in the 60's & 70's & sats it was nice then.

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:	marton
	Seems Brexit was not about stopping immigration after all. Skilled migrants will no longer be required to earn £35,800 to be able to settle in the UK but instead will be lowered to £25,600 under the rules which were quietly slipped out on Thursday and take effect on December 1. Unskilled migrants on salaries of just £20,480 but with enough points to be allowed into the UK to plug gaps in shortage jobs will also be entitled to settle in Britain after six years and become citizens.”

This was always going to happen, because the original figure was above the wages of most NHS employees and even junior Drs.

[John William]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	This was always going to happen, because the original figure was above the wages of most NHS employees and even junior Drs.

Spot on, the UK Government should hang it's head in shame on how much it
was underpaying 'the rank and file' members of the NHS over the years and
decades.
It took a pandemic for them to see the true worth of the NHS that they had for so
long neglected and undervalued.

The fact that they have had to decrease the average wage expectations of
migrants to encourage the influx of health care workers is frankly laughable.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	John William
	Spot on, the UK Government should hang it's head in shame on how much it was underpaying 'the rank and file' members of the NHS over the years and decades. It took a pandemic for them to see the true worth of the NHS that they had for so long neglected and undervalued. The fact that they have had to decrease the average wage expectations of migrants to encourage the influx of health care workers is frankly laughable.

The true worth of the NHS the NHS was appalling during the Covid pandemic! It behaved like the Catholic church responding to the child abuse scandal in that they protected the institution rather than the patients!

How about clapping this?!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...box=1603559492

	Quote:	JackieH
	Ah but the British gutter, ooops, tabloid press is going crazy about petty EU refusing fast process through EU queues at airports from 1st of Jan. They are all theatening to go to Turkey instead - so that is going to be a .... massive queue, no? Just could not make it up - once again.

Is this where we’re really at now with Brexit, concerning ourselves with airport queues?!

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	The true worth of the NHS the NHS was appalling during the Covid pandemic! It behaved like the Catholic church responding to the child abuse scandal in that they protected the institution rather than the patients! How about clapping this?!

Your favourite Sweden used the same triage rules which is why so many of their elderly died in care homes.

[JackieH]

You meant the NHS badly funded, badly managed by the Conservative Party?


The point about airport queues- is that it is currently Brexiters in the UK, who voted for it- who are not up in arms and going berserk in the tabloid Press- about queues being longer about Brexit.


Gald to see at least one woman Brexiter of my generation has put her hands up and resigned from the Conservative Party re the destruction of ariculture and food standards, and destuction of UK farming. Good for you, Prue Leith.


As for Johnson, we now now clearly that he has been cooking up the books with Trump- and deliberately delayed any Deal with EU until after the election. And that he intends to go for No Deal immediately if Trump wins- selling said NHS and agriculture standards wholesale to Trump- in return for what?!? Just beyond appalling - no words, really.

[John William]

	Quote:	JackieH
	As for Johnson, we now now clearly that he has been cooking up the books with Trump- and deliberately delayed any Deal with EU until after the election. And that he intends to go for No Deal immediately if Trump wins- selling said NHS and agriculture standards wholesale to Trump- in return for what?!? Just beyond appalling - no words, really.

Yes Britain could be faced with a fate worst than death, if such an event occurs from the
1st January 2021, namely sanctions imposed by the likes of Jamie Oliver and Greta Thunberg !!

[marton]

	Quote:	JackieH
	You meant the NHS badly funded, badly managed by the Conservative Party? The point about airport queues- is that it is currently Brexiters in the UK, who voted for it- who are not up in arms and going berserk in the tabloid Press- about queues being longer about Brexit. Gald to see at least one woman Brexiter of my generation has put her hands up and resigned from the Conservative Party re the destruction of ariculture and food standards, and destuction of UK farming. Good for you, Prue Leith. As for Johnson, we now now clearly that he has been cooking up the books with Trump- and deliberately delayed any Deal with EU until after the election. And that he intends to go for No Deal immediately if Trump wins- selling said NHS and agriculture standards wholesale to Trump- in return for what?!? Just beyond appalling - no words, really.

I suspect Boris will roll over at the last minute and give the EU everything, it would not be the first time he changed sides.

If Trump is not reelected it will just push Boris more into such concessions.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	JackieH
	You meant the NHS badly funded, badly managed by the Conservative Party?

The NHS is bad period. 40% of NHS beds were empty at the peak of the Covid pandemic in the spring. This pandemic has proven in my eyes something that I've suspected for a long time, that the NHS isn't there to serve people, people are there to serve the NHS. The bovine way people were turning out every Thursday evening to clap for it, rather like the adhan, and praise it is completely lost on me

[JackieH]

Nightingale hospitals had nothing to do with the NHS, but with the Government. And the stupidity of it all, is that they built the 'beds' but didn't have the staff to wo/man them anyhow. Massive, ridiculous waste indeed.

[JackieH]

The government has quietly reduced the £35,800 minimum salary for migrants to settle in the UK by almost 30%, it has emerged.

Migrants on salaries of £20,480 but with enough points under Boris Johnson’s new Australian-style immigration system to qualify for jobs where there is a shortage of workers will also be entitled to settle after six years and become citizens.