The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[John William]

Its to attract more migrant health care workers for the NHS to the UK

whose starting salaries are way below the £35,800 minimum salary for migrants to settle in the UK.

[Flying Kite]

...I can't believe that this thread have nearly 1 million views on a forum...

[Troublawesome]

And still no Brexit...we're sick of it

[John William]

	Quote:	John William
	When reflecting on the British governments vaunted Australian style 'points based system' to attract the best and the brightest to the UK ( namely those who can boast University degrees or better to their name ) after closing the doors to EU citizens with lower or questionable academic achievements and qualifications. That they say British business is crying out for post Brexit. You've got to laugh when the 'real skills British business is crying out for' are like those that can ensure food gets on British dinner tables like meat processing workers. As usual it looks like 'the real skills shortages' in post Brexit Britain are in jobs that most Brits reckon are beneath them again !! BBC News - Shortage of EU Poultry workers could hit Christmas dinner

The complaints about Preti Patels, Australian based points system not attracting the right type
of 'hard working EU citizens' for those jobs the average Brit considers 'too much hard work'
continues to make the headlines in Britain.
Yes the British government are getting desperate and are resorting to evoking the Brexiteers
'wartime spirit' by launching A Dig for Victory fit in a post-Brexit Britain campaign that they
have dubbed 'Pick for Britain' to encourage more Brit's to get their hands dirty for a change
and bring in the harvest.

BBC News - UK farmers need thousends of foreign workers next summer

I'm sure the following video will stir fond memories of days of yore and many rousing wartime
speeches by Sir Winston Churchill for Jacob Rees-Mogg and his congregation in the ERG;
just the ticket for putting the millennials in their place with this TV advert being
broadcast on prime time TV.

Dig for Victory revamped as Pick for Britain recruitment video

Yes it's enough to bring tears to your eyes.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	And still no Brexit...we're sick of it

Amazing the number of people who don’t know it happen....

The same people who seem to think spending four plus years on trying to get a major trade deal is unusual, where as the norm is more like seven years plus...

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	where as the norm is more like seven years plus...

Only if the EU is involved!

[John William]

	Quote:	John William
	The complaints about Preti Patels, Australian based points system not attracting the right type of 'hard working EU citizens' for those jobs the average Brit considers 'too much hard work' continues to make the headlines in Britain. Yes the British government are getting desperate and are resorting to evoking the Brexiteers 'wartime spirit' by launching A Dig for Victory fit for a post-Brexit Britain campaign that they have dubbed 'Pick for Britain' to encourage more Brit's to get their hands dirty for a change and bring in the harvest. BBC News - UK farmers need thousends of foreign workers next summer I'm sure the following video will stir fond memories of days of yore and many rousing wartime speeches by Sir Winston Churchill for Jacob Rees-Mogg and his congregation in the ERG; just the ticket for putting the millennials in their place with this TV advert being broadcast on prime time TV. Dig for Victory revamped as Pick for Britain recruitment video Yes it's enough to bring tears to your eyes.

Did The Two Ronnies predict a return to 'the olden days' in post-Brexit Britain ??

The Two Ronnies - Hovis advert

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Only if the EU is involved!

Look at the WTO stats....

[Ato]

	Quote:	John William
	I'm sure the following video will stir fond memories of days of yore and many rousing wartime speeches by Sir Winston Churchill for Jacob Rees-Mogg and his congregation in the ERG; just the ticket for putting the millennials in their place with this TV advert being broadcast on prime time TV.

Do most millennials even watch prime time TV? They'd be better off buying some youtube advertising or releasing a dramatisation of it for Netflix.

[greenmount]

As I see it not many people will want to work in UK in the future, only those who already built a life there are concerned by Brexit. The rest of the EU citizens don't give a shite anymore. I feel sorry for the people that are blocked there because of jobs, family etc, but that's life....it was their choice. I don't want EU to compromise for the idiots that chose to immigrate there.

[JackieH]

Totally get you here. But remember, only 52% of those who voted (so not of the population) voted for Brexit- a Brexit with a great Deal, easy peasy, lots more money for the NHS- they were told it would protect their jobs, increase their salaries, and so much more. 10s of 1000s of those, in the 70+ age group have now dies, and 10s of 1000s of young people who want to be part of Europe and all the opportunities it affords them, are now able to vote. Covid has even 'helped out' in this matter.


Even Rees Mogg has admitted that if there was a vote now, it would never pass as people now realise the massive cost to all and that instead of being free and independent, we will either be totally beholden to Trump, as planned- or totally up s*t creek, having to accept any Deal, at any cost, from EU who will then hold all the cards. A deal much much worse that being in the EU, a Deal much worse than Mrs May's Deal, and a Deal even worse than the one Johnson pretended to negotiate- with fingers crossed in the back, knowing he had no intention whatsoever of going through with it, as he was going to jump on Trump's lap. The UK will end up in a vast mess.


But I agree with you- the EU should just walk away. They tried, by Gaed they tried- Barnier has the patience of a Saint- but enough.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	greenmount
	As I see it not many people will want to work in UK in the future, only those who already built a life there are concerned by Brexit. The rest of the EU citizens don't give a shite anymore. I feel sorry for the people that are blocked there because of jobs, family etc, but that's life....it was their choice. I don't want EU to compromise for the idiots that chose to immigrate there.

There are people literally risking their lives at the moment crossing the English Channel in inflatable boats in order to make it into the UK

[22 yards]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	There are people literally risking their lives at the moment crossing the English Channel in inflatable boats in order to make it into the UK

Exactly the sort of immigrants the UK has been hoping to attract.

[marton]

Remember the outrage in April 2016 when Obama said UK would be at the back of the queue for a trade deal.
Now four and a half years later there is still no sign of a US deal.

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Totally get you here. But remember, only 52% of those who voted (so not of the population) voted for Brexit- a Brexit with a great Deal, easy peasy, lots more money for the NHS- they were told it would protect their jobs, increase their salaries, and so much more. 10s of 1000s of those, in the 70+ age group have now dies, and 10s of 1000s of young people who want to be part of Europe and all the opportunities it affords them, are now able to vote. Covid has even 'helped out' in this matter. Even Rees Mogg has admitted that if there was a vote now, it would never pass as people now realise the massive cost to all and that instead of being free and independent, we will either be totally beholden to Trump, as planned- or totally up s*t creek, having to accept any Deal, at any cost, from EU who will then hold all the cards. A deal much much worse that being in the EU, a Deal much worse than Mrs May's Deal, and a Deal even worse than the one Johnson pretended to negotiate- with fingers crossed in the back, knowing he had no intention whatsoever of going through with it, as he was going to jump on Trump's lap. The UK will end up in a vast mess. But I agree with you- the EU should just walk away. They tried, by Gaed they tried- Barnier has the patience of a Saint- but enough.

The choice in 2016 was pretty unappealing both ways.

Leave: A leap into the unknown with a near certainty of short term economic damage.

Remain: Stay part of the sinking ship that is Europe. Accept very limited democracy.

Don't presume that all leave voters thought it would be easy. From my observations that is not at all true. I voted with the hope that we become part of the US ecosystem (remember this was before Trump's election). If you have a long horizon, then getting out of Europe makes that much more sense. It is demographically in a bad place and is a high tax, low growth environment. Really unappealing. We have language and culture in common with the US. It is and will continue to be a place with significantly stronger growth than Europe.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	The choice in 2016 was pretty unappealing both ways. Leave: A leap into the unknown with a near certainty of short term economic damage. Remain: Stay part of the sinking ship that is Europe. Accept very limited democracy. Don't presume that all leave voters thought it would be easy. From my observations that is not at all true. I voted with the hope that we become part of the US ecosystem (remember this was before Trump's election). If you have a long horizon, then getting out of Europe makes that much more sense. It is demographically in a bad place and is a high tax, low growth environment. Really unappealing. We have language and culture in common with the US. It is and will continue to be a place with significantly stronger growth than Europe.

So you knowingly voted to become sub-servant to the US....


I don't believe for a minute that people in the UK are serious about democracy. Because if they were they'd be outraged by things like the the Queens Prerogative, the fact that people are not sovereign etc....

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	So you knowingly voted to become sub-servant to the US.... I don't believe for a minute that people in the UK are serious about democracy. Because if they were they'd be outraged by things like the the Queens Prerogative, the fact that people are not sovereign etc....

I'm sure you would agree that the UK has to be "sub-servant" (a bit of an emotional term for me) to someone. I don't imagine Biden, despite his comments about NI would miss the opportunity of enhancing the reach of US power. Its in our interest to be tied to the stronger power - the US not the declining old world EU.

Realistically with NI's demographics reunification will happen sometime this century - hopefully with a degree of autonomy somehow for the unionist community. There's no truck in fighting over it. Agree to what Ireland and the US are asking for.

As regards the Queen - I'd vote for a republic all day long.

[Ato]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	So you knowingly voted to become sub-servant to the US.... I don't believe for a minute that people in the UK are serious about democracy. Because if they were they'd be outraged by things like the the Queens Prerogative, the fact that people are not sovereign etc....

Ah you're only jealous that Ireland is not a 3rd class country in the union anymore with it's even guiding hand of equality and democracy for all.

I'm humming god bless England by the Clancy brothers atm.

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	Ato
	Ah you're only jealous that Ireland is not a 3rd class country in the union anymore with it's even guiding hand of equality and democracy for all. I'm humming god bless England by the Clancy brothers atm.

I certainly would rather be close to FF and FG than the really dodgy DUP as a UK Conservative. We have horrifically mistreated Ireland over the years and I wish we would try and heal some of the divisions than fight over Ulster. Really we should be a lot more aligned than we are.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	So you knowingly voted to become sub-servant to the US.... I don't believe for a minute that people in the UK are serious about democracy. Because if they were they'd be outraged by things like the the Queens Prerogative, the fact that people are not sovereign etc....

The UK isn't going to be sub-servant to the US, it is simply going to be an independent trading, sovereign nation, like Canada, like Australia, like Japan. It is extremely unlikely that a trade deal between the UK and US is going to be signed anytime soon, not because of all the posturing from US politicians over Ireland, but simply because it is too politically sensitive at the moment. Which is a great shame but the UK will never accept US food standards nor the US agricultural requests that go along with a trade deal the way things are at the moment.

This doesn't change much anyway, the US is already the UK's biggest trading partner without a trade deal, it's just a shame if you're a free marketeer like I am.