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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Galsworthy explains the current situation well. Johnson will have to go and Conservatives choose someone who is a true Cons, not from the ERG, to get anywhere from now. Such a weak position to be in


https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=395671481610667


the UK will never become a full and equal partner with the EU and the USA. Delusions of grandeur.
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Galsworthy explains the current situation well. Johnson will have to go and Conservatives choose someone who is a true Cons, not from the ERG, to get anywhere from now. Such a weak position to be in


https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=395671481610667


the UK will never become a full and equal partner with the EU and the USA. Delusions of grandeur.
Why would we be looking to be a 'full' partner withe the EU? We were & chose to dissolve the partnership, hence BREXIT.

You really don't understand the concept of voting, BREXIT was more decisive than Joe Biden winning the US election. I don't think you believe there should be a second vote, or do you?
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No Deal on our terms with EU, and No Deal with Trump + Covid.


Then was then, we are where we are now (as Macron says in English so well)- so yes, not quite sure who does not understand the really weak position Johnson and the UK are in now. Sand - head.
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No Deal on our terms with EU, and No Deal with Trump + Covid.


Then was then, we are where we are now (as Macron says in English so well)- so yes, not quite sure who does not understand the really weak position Johnson and the UK are in now. Sand - head.
Why are the EU so keen for a deal, Boris walked away?
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Because he believed he could just jump in bed with Trump. Perhaps you have not realised this is just not going to happen. He thought he held all the cards, he had a great deal, the easiest deal, in the oven, that the EU would give him just what he wanted- that he held all the cards... and that it didn't work- he would jump ... as said above. And he didn't quite realise the effects of Covid either, nor the cost.


But did you watch the Galsworthy video? You may not like the guy- but he explains it all VERY well. Johnson will soon be gone- and Cummings, and the ERG I suspect. See what happens with Trump- it is amazing how your 'mates' quickly turn, when you are no longer useful to them. Even Fox News has turned- and that is quite something.


Off to celebrate - been keeping that very special bottle of Champagne for a while. Cheers. Times are a-changing. Yes, I know- you will groan. Ah well, it is just funny at this time.

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From the European


''An adviser to Joe Biden, tipped to become the next UK ambassador to the US, has issued a warning over Brexit - saying in almost every area it would have negative consequences for his country.
Anthony Gardner, a former American ambassador to the EU, told an audience in Germany that Brexit was the "biggest own-goal" he had ever seen.
Speaking at ESMT business school in Berlin, he predicted that Biden would use his first day to commit America to working with the European Union.
“If Biden is elected I believe quickly, perhaps first day, [there will be a] declaration of support for the European Union, declaration of support for European integration, declaration of support in favour of NATO, the lynchpin of transatlantic alliance, which has been weakened because of this administration's policies.”
In a warning to Britain, the former diplomat pointed to the negative consequences Brexit will have on Britain and the EU - and in particular the US.''

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''An adviser to Joe Biden, tipped to become the next UK ambassador to the US, has issued a warning over Brexit - saying in almost every area it would have negative consequences for his country.
Anthony Gardner, a former American ambassador to the EU, told an audience in Germany that Brexit was the "biggest own-goal" he had ever seen.
Speaking at ESMT business school in Berlin, he predicted that Biden would use his first day to commit America to working with the European Union.
“If Biden is elected I believe quickly, perhaps first day, [there will be a] declaration of support for the European Union, declaration of support for European integration, declaration of support in favour of NATO, the lynchpin of transatlantic alliance, which has been weakened because of this administration's policies.”
In a warning to Britain, the former diplomat pointed to the negative consequences Brexit will have on Britain and the EU - and in particular the US.''

Off for that Champagne now.
Rumours that Biden's team has already called Boris to discuss the internal markets bill that reneges on part of the EU withdrawal agreement.

Biden has also said he wants to quickly do a free trade bill with the EU. He also believes UK must complete a free trade bill with the EU before the end of the year.
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Rumours that Biden's team has already called Boris to discuss the internal markets bill that reneges on part of the EU withdrawal agreement.

Biden has also said he wants to quickly do a free trade bill with the EU. He also believes UK must complete a free trade bill with the EU before the end of the year.
All the cards are stacked up for a good deal. Boris hands over NI in effect for a trade deal. Even better if EU-US is on the cards too.
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Biden has also said he wants to quickly do a free trade bill with the EU.
Mission impossible. Unless we are now all really looking forward to hormone meat and genetically manipulated food because Biden is president.
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Mission impossible. Unless we are now all really looking forward to hormone meat and genetically manipulated food because Biden is president.
What is so bad about this? Is it just the moral piece or is it really health concerns? These things must have passed US food safety standards surely?
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It is a well known fact that Biden and Harris can't stand Johnson and Cummings, whom they see as 'Little Trump and Bannon'. No love lost there- especialls since the racist comments made towards Obama. The memory is very fresh - and Boris is already grovelling. Johnson will be gone soon- but unfortunately probably replaced by the Gove poisonous snake.
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#shapeshiftingcreep is trending hard on Twitter after it was used by a former Obama press aide

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There are serious jitters in the UK over the future relationship with Washington, with Johnson seen as Donald Trump’s closest personal transatlantic ally. As the Guardian’s diplomatic editor, Patrick Wintour, reports, some of Biden’s allies – not official aides – have made clear their hostility towards Johnson.

After Johnson finally congratulated Biden on Saturday evening in a fairly bland statement, Tommy Vietor, a former Obama press aide, launched a brutal takedown on Twitter.

“This shapeshifting creep weighs in,” Vietor wrote, replying to Johnson’s tweet. “We will never forget your racist comments about Obama and slavish devotion to Trump.”

The UK prime minister had previously suggested that Barack Obama’s “part-Kenyan” heritage made him remove a bust of Britain’s wartime leader Winston Churchill from the Oval Office out of “dislike of the British empire”.
Oh dear, he thought he could put his head down and nobody would notice. I agree with JackieH, the Tories need to dump him quick because he's beyond toxic.
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What is so bad about this? Is it just the moral piece or is it really health concerns? These things must have passed US food safety standards surely?
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The US Federal government estimates that there are about 48 million cases of foodborne illness annually—the equivalent of sickening 1 in 6 Americans each year. And each year these illnesses result in an estimated 128,000 hospitalizations and 3,000 deaths.
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About 1 in 26 every year, less than a quarter of the US rate.
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It is a well known fact that Biden and Harris can't stand Johnson and Cummings, whom they see as 'Little Trump and Bannon'. No love lost there- especialls since the racist comments made towards Obama. The memory is very fresh - and Boris is already grovelling. Johnson will be gone soon- but unfortunately probably replaced by the Gove poisonous snake.
I believe your definition of 'fact' is very different from reality.
A deal is not between individuals, so liking or disliking an individual is irrelevant.

Why do you believe Johnson will be gone? You never liked him or voted for the conservatives at the last election. You wanted Corbin, the bloke that just got kicked out due to his anti semitic behaviour. I seem to remember your previous incarnation claimed he was not anti semitic.
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Don't take my word for it.


https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/jo...ohnson-2020-11
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Also in the Tagi

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/johnson...k-148435911817
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So much unfounded nonsense! Only the lazy make comparisons between Boris Johnson and Donald Trump because they share an often misguided optimism and a mop of blond hair. On policy issues like trade, defence, and climate change there is far more in common between the UK Prime Minister and Joe Biden.

This will have NO BEARING on Brexit, none whatsoever! The UK and the EU will very likely reach a trade deal before the year is over. Neither the UK nor the EU will reach a trade deal with the US anytime soon. This is not down to who is President, but simply that the as long as US agricultural and food standards remain part of any deal it will be too politically sensitive to sign for either UK or EU.
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So much unfounded nonsense! Only the lazy make comparisons between Boris Johnson and Donald Trump because they share an often misguided optimism and a mop of blond hair. On policy issues like trade, defence, and climate change there is far more in common between the UK Prime Minister and Joe Biden.

This will have NO BEARING on Brexit, none whatsoever! The UK and the EU will very likely reach a trade deal before the year is over. Neither the UK nor the EU will reach a trade deal with the US anytime soon. This is not down to who is President, but simply that the as long as US agricultural and food standards remain part of any deal it will be too politically sensitive to sign for either UK or EU.
Always good to start the day with a good laugh. BREXIT amnesia: it was never about trade deals, it was never about border control, it was never about... it was never about... next you’ll tell us it was all about fishing rights and blue passports.
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In big bold writing : Downing Street may have underestimated the extent to which Biden might feel personal animosity towards Boris Johnson.

How is that proving your 'fact', it's a mere opinion, nothing more
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