The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Medea Fleecestealer]

Referendum petition hi-jacked by spambots.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36640459

Where's the Spam Deputies when you need them.

[jacek]

	Quote:	ZuriRollt
	Found this funny - while the rest of Europe has been planning the scenarios since months, here the BBC summary: After a weekend of playing cricket and planning his Tory leadership bid, Boris Johnson emerged briefly for the cameras on Monday morning. He wanted to dispel "confusion" about the rights of European migrants living here already, but he has still to offer anything like a concrete plan on how he would negotiate the post-Brexit future. So, for now the questions: When do we leave the EU and on what terms? Who will do the negotiations? What will it mean for immigration, for trade, for travel, for the city, for agriculture, for those from the EU living here and Brits abroad? All have no answers - and none in prospect either.

I have been watching the Wimbledon 2016 and there's no sign of Brexit stress whatsoever other than good competitive spirit as usual.

And of course everyone is eyeing the soccer game against Iceland, as we speak, so the above topic is of second priority right now.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	jacek
	I have been watching the Wimbledon 2016 and there's no sign of Brexit stress whatsoever other than good competitive spirit as usual. And of course everyone is eyeing the soccer game against Iceland, as we speak, so the above topic is of second priority right now.

Speak for yourself - I watch neither.

[Sbrinz]

... and the lies from Boris continue http://news.sky.com/story/1717965/bo...ets-are-stable

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Faltrad
	hahaha Just for fun: You know France... even the communists voted for Chirac rather than Le Pen. It will be the same with the daughter. The concept of front républicain is totally un-understandable for non-French, I know. The alternative: Let's say that France think of itself as the inspiration, the DNA and the origin of all democracy and european peace incl. the EU, so for France, even leaving the EU would leave the EU in France.

Well, it's true.

[Odile]

Now this is a bit long, but says how some of us feel:

https://katyboo1.wordpress.com/2016/06/27/happy-now/

[idefix]

	Quote:	Odile
	Now this is a bit long, but says how some of us feel: https://katyboo1.wordpress.com/2016/06/27/happy-now/

How do you feel? Like painting buses?

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Kosti
	Utter nonsense. I googled this and the only places it shows up on is conspiracy BS sites like zerohedge. Its a tragedy that an event that changes the path of the UK is decided based on rumors and nonsense such as this. Democracy deserves informed debate. Edit: On a bit of digging the "source" seems to be a twitter post in Italian with the words pasted alongside an older photo of Schulz https://twitter.com/gzibordi/status/747242697119891457 Pathetic

Informed debate is for the people who want to be informed. Some of them are always ready to accept any rumour and non sense. End of. I think Faltrad was right in the end: a vote is a vote.

[ZuriRollt]

To be honest, I'd expected more than the British electorate and voting system came up with.

[CathHarmony]

Someone commented in the Guardian that the age related voting stats are as follows:

Brexit voter turnout by age:
** 18-24: 36% **
25-34: 58%
35-44: 72%
45-54: 75%
55-64: 81%
65+: 83%

Is this backed up by any reliable data?

If you add them up and divide by 6 it comes to 67.5

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	Odile
	Now this is a bit long, but says how some of us feel: https://katyboo1.wordpress.com/2016/06/27/happy-now/

Odile,


You're right, it is long. I am sure that she expressed some of what you feel. But I have to ask, why did she only join a political party AFTER Brexit? Did she even vote before that?


My kids often expressed a criticism of some political decision here. I always ask them if they voted. When they answered "No" I would then say


"Then you have absolutely no right whatsoever to an opinion, and I see no point in discussing the issue with you. Once you vote you have a right to an opinion, and I will discuss with you until you wish you hadn't voted... but in the meantime, your voice doesn't count."



One took a bit longer than the other to figure it out.

[Odile]

Totally agree on that point- And exactly what I have written to some of my young friends on FB who have been complaining bitterly. Same as young people here in February 2014.

[k_and_e]

The next step in the Brexit is taking place right now against Iceland: England is voluntarily playing bad so that they are out of the tournament

[marton]

	Quote:	CathHarmony
	Someone commented in the Guardian that the age related voting stats are as follows: Brexit voter turnout by age: ** 18-24: 36% ** 25-34: 58% 35-44: 72% 45-54: 75% 55-64: 81% 65+: 83% Is this backed up by any reliable data? If you add them up and divide by 6 it comes to 67.5

You only divide by 6 if there were the same number of people in each group; otherwise you have to adjust each row depending on the population.

[idefix]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	The next step in the Brexit is taking place right now against Iceland: England is voluntarily playing bad so that they are out of the tournament

We can also send them the bus to pick them up

[marton]

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	... and the lies from Boris continue http://news.sky.com/story/1717965/bo...ets-are-stable

Boris wrote an article in the Telegraph today "I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe – and always will be "

Source

[JagWaugh]

Marton,


Boris had a window seat in Geography.

[Swisstree]

	Quote:	idefix
	We can also send them the bus to pick them up

The bus isn't available. Corbyn has it.

[baboon]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	The next step in the Brexit is taking place right now against Iceland: England is voluntarily playing bad so that they are out of the tournament

And gone. Due punishment.

[marton]

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	Blair said he expected turmoil in the financial markets to continue and said the next steps had to be taken 'with a sense of unity across the political spectrum'. Mr Blair said Leave campaigners had dismissed warnings of the danger of Brexit as 'scaremongering'. 'I think you can see from the reactions already, those threats are real,' he said, warning that 'the reality of the choice we've made is going to sink into the public consciousness in a big way in the days and weeks to come'.

Just gets worse
The three main ratings agencies have all downgraded the UK’s credit rating.

Moody’s was the first, cutting its outlook on UK sovereign debt from “stable” to “negative” on Friday afternoon. Fitch and Standard & Poor’s followed suit on Monday after the London stock exchange closed.