View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen? |
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union
|    | 49 | 23.11% |
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU
|    | 68 | 32.08% |
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK
|    | 22 | 10.38% |
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing
|    | 23 | 10.85% |
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us
|    | 17 | 8.02% |
I don't really care
|    | 33 | 15.57% |  | | | 
09.11.2020, 10:39
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Hopefully soon to be Aargau
Posts: 919
Groaned at 347 Times in 211 Posts
Thanked 2,145 Times in 1,029 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Always good to start the day with a good laugh. BREXIT amnesia: it was never about trade deals, it was never about border control, it was never about... it was never about... next you’ll tell us it was all about fishing rights and blue passports. | | | | | It is about trade deals, but no one voted for Brexit to get a trade deal specifically with the US | This user would like to thank TonyClifton for this useful post: | | 
09.11.2020, 10:52
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rheintal
Posts: 4,207
Groaned at 160 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 7,329 Times in 3,352 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | It is about trade deals, but no one voted for Brexit to get a trade deal specifically with the US  | | | | | So no trade deal with the UK's biggest trade partner, the EU accounting for about 48% of all trade. Now no deal with the second largest, the USA, accounting for 15% of all trade. Already not so much left to fill the gaps, is there.
| 
09.11.2020, 10:54
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Verbier
Posts: 19,362
Groaned at 412 Times in 306 Posts
Thanked 19,285 Times in 10,373 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | So no trade deal with the UK's biggest trade partner, the EU accounting for about 48% of all trade. Now no deal with the second largest, the USA, accounting for 15% of all trade. Already not so much left to fill the gaps, is there. | | | | | We don't need a deal, deals are tax avoidance, amazed you are in favour | 
09.11.2020, 10:55
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rheintal
Posts: 4,207
Groaned at 160 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 7,329 Times in 3,352 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | We don't need a deal, deals are tax avoidance, amazed you are in favour  | | | | | Where did I write that I was or wasn't? Clifton write "It is about trade deals"
| 
09.11.2020, 10:58
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Verbier
Posts: 19,362
Groaned at 412 Times in 306 Posts
Thanked 19,285 Times in 10,373 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Where did I write that I was or wasn't? Clifton write "It is about trade deals" | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | So no trade deal with the UK's biggest trade partner, the EU accounting for about 48% of all trade. Now no deal with the second largest, the USA, accounting for 15% of all trade. Already not so much left to fill the gaps, is there. | | | | | I thought you were saying no deal was a bad thing?
| 
09.11.2020, 11:00
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Hopefully soon to be Aargau
Posts: 919
Groaned at 347 Times in 211 Posts
Thanked 2,145 Times in 1,029 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | So no trade deal with the UK's biggest trade partner, the EU accounting for about 48% of all trade. Now no deal with the second largest, the USA, accounting for 15% of all trade. Already not so much left to fill the gaps, is there. | | | | | The US is already the UK's biggest single trading partner with a larger volume of trade between the two countries than any single EU country. The lack of a trade deal hasn't prevented this from happening.
If Joe Biden decides to try and reverse everything that Donald Trump has done (although this will be difficult without a Senate majority) there could even be a way for a trade deal between the US and UK through the TPP back door.
| 
09.11.2020, 11:01
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: CH
Posts: 9,752
Groaned at 330 Times in 270 Posts
Thanked 14,127 Times in 7,278 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | So no trade deal with the UK's biggest trade partner, the EU accounting for about 48% of all trade. Now no deal with the second largest, the USA, accounting for 15% of all trade. Already not so much left to fill the gaps, is there. | | | | | China?
| 
09.11.2020, 11:03
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rheintal
Posts: 4,207
Groaned at 160 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 7,329 Times in 3,352 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | China? | | | | | Number 5 with about 5% of total trade. China only do trade deals that suit China.
| 
09.11.2020, 11:20
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Verbier
Posts: 19,362
Groaned at 412 Times in 306 Posts
Thanked 19,285 Times in 10,373 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Number 5 with about 5% of total trade. China only do trade deals that suit China. | | | | | Everybody only does trade deals that suits them, hence Boris walking away from the table.
| 
09.11.2020, 11:51
| Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Up there over the fog
Posts: 1,005
Groaned at 134 Times in 107 Posts
Thanked 1,248 Times in 591 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | It is about trade deals, but no one voted for Brexit to get a trade deal specifically with the US  | | | | |
No, that is clear. This is just how ERG have highjacked it- and they know it. Even Rees Mogg said they would lose significantly if it went to the vote now.
| 
09.11.2020, 11:54
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Verbier
Posts: 19,362
Groaned at 412 Times in 306 Posts
Thanked 19,285 Times in 10,373 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | No, that is clear. This is just how ERG have highjacked it- and they know it. Even Rees Mogg said they would lose significantly if it went to the vote now. | | | | | Would JRM be right? Just like the election & BREXIT, guessing the outcome does not help much. BIDEN's landslide never materialised either.
| This user would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post: | | 
09.11.2020, 11:59
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Hopefully soon to be Aargau
Posts: 919
Groaned at 347 Times in 211 Posts
Thanked 2,145 Times in 1,029 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | No, that is clear. This is just how ERG have highjacked it- and they know it. Even Rees Mogg said they would lose significantly if it went to the vote now. | | | | | Where's your evidence of this? If the ERG had hijacked the process then talks with the EU would have ended long ago.
There have been four votes on Brexit, directly or indirectly (2015 election, 16 referendum, 2017 election, 2019 election). I'm fairly certain there is nothing more to discuss.
| This user would like to thank TonyClifton for this useful post: | | 
09.11.2020, 12:06
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 9,745
Groaned at 429 Times in 370 Posts
Thanked 17,801 Times in 9,503 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | The US is already the UK's biggest single trading partner with a larger volume of trade between the two countries than any single EU country. The lack of a trade deal hasn't prevented this from happening.
If Joe Biden decides to try and reverse everything that Donald Trump has done (although this will be difficult without a Senate majority) there could even be a way for a trade deal between the US and UK through the TPP back door. | | | | | Clearly, the failure to achieve a free trade deal with the US would be a major lost opportunity, if the US succeeds in their ambition to have a free trade deal with the EU then that will drain business from the UK.
As you well know, the EU is the UK's biggest single trading partner.
Comparing trade with single EU countries has two flaws, firstly if you want to approach it in this way then remember the US is a federation so you should compare with single States. Secondly, it is not possible for the UK to make deals with single EU countries so it is a meaningless comparison.
How can Biden use the TPP back door when the TPP was never ratified so does not exist?
__________________
It is naive to assume my posts are my own work | 
09.11.2020, 12:12
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rheintal
Posts: 4,207
Groaned at 160 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 7,329 Times in 3,352 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | How can Biden use the TPP back door when the TPP was never ratified so does not exist? | | | | | Plus last I checked the UK was not in the Pacific and was never part of the TPP.
| 
09.11.2020, 12:19
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Hopefully soon to be Aargau
Posts: 919
Groaned at 347 Times in 211 Posts
Thanked 2,145 Times in 1,029 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Plus last I checked the UK was not in the Pacific and was never part of the TPP. | | | | | It's the UKs stated aim to join this trade partnership. It will take some time though.
| 
09.11.2020, 12:22
|  | Moderately Dutch | | Join Date: May 2011 Location: Zurich
Posts: 10,509
Groaned at 353 Times in 294 Posts
Thanked 12,745 Times in 6,069 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | It's the UKs stated aim to join this trade partnership. It will take some time though. | | | | |
When was it they decided to leave the EU? | This user would like to thank roegner for this useful post: | | 
09.11.2020, 12:26
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Hopefully soon to be Aargau
Posts: 919
Groaned at 347 Times in 211 Posts
Thanked 2,145 Times in 1,029 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | When was it they decided to leave the EU?  | | | | | The beauty of TPP (or CPTPP to use the correct acronym) is that it is purely focused on trade and not political integration. Rather like the EEC once upon a time.
| The following 2 users would like to thank TonyClifton for this useful post: | | 
09.11.2020, 12:42
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kt. Bern
Posts: 4,209
Groaned at 197 Times in 156 Posts
Thanked 6,719 Times in 3,026 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | If Joe Biden decides to try and reverse everything that Donald Trump has done (although this will be difficult without a Senate majority) there could even be a way for a trade deal between the US and UK through the TPP back door. | | | | | Hilarious. You will not get a trade deal so long a Boris refuses to respect the GFA. An Irish American President, an Irish American chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, a Speaker of the House with a native Irish son-in-law and three Irish grandchildren plus 50M+ Irish American voters won’t agree.
The Tories will have to make a big climb down if they want to get the trade deals they promised and that means Boris is going to take the blame.
| 
09.11.2020, 12:58
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Hopefully soon to be Aargau
Posts: 919
Groaned at 347 Times in 211 Posts
Thanked 2,145 Times in 1,029 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | Hilarious. You will not get a trade deal so long a Boris refuses to respect the GFA. An Irish American President, an Irish American chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, a Speaker of the House with a native Irish son-in-law and three Irish grandchildren plus 50M+ Irish American voters won’t agree.
The Tories will have to make a big climb down if they want to get the trade deals they promised and that means Boris is going to take the blame. | | | | | Let's wait and see shall we? I suspect a climb down of sorts on fishing, but this would be practical seeing as the UK don't have the means to take advantage of their re-found fish wealth in the short time. So I would expect some form of staged reduction in EU access to UK fishing stocks over the coming years.
The level playing field is what matters most in my view and if the UK can hold firm here and get a deal then this will be the biggest victory.
To repeat what I said before, the UK doesn't need a trade agreement with the US. The US is the single biggest foreign investor in the UK, and the UK is the single biggest foreign investor in the US WITHOUT an FTA. Trade in goods and services has been rocketing for years with no trade agreement in place.
Why does the UK need an agreement with the US? It would come with a high political cost, not least because as you say, the US is full of ignorant "Irish Americans" who have no clue about Irish-UK relations yet are opinionated all the same.
| 
09.11.2020, 13:35
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 9,745
Groaned at 429 Times in 370 Posts
Thanked 17,801 Times in 9,503 Posts
| | Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in | Quote: | |  | | | The beauty of TPP (or CPTPP to use the correct acronym) is that it is purely focused on trade and not political integration. Rather like the EEC once upon a time. | | | | | You have not read it have you?
It provides recognition of inclusive values, including the importance of corporate social responsibility, environmental protection and enforcement, sustainable development, labour rights, cultural identity and diversity, and the elimination of bribery and corruption.
Anyway, neither UK nor US are members so it is all pie in the sky.
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 13 (0 members and 13 guests) | | Thread Tools | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT +2. The time now is 05:21. | |