The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[JackieH]

Totally different situtaion re Trum and USA, and UK with Brexit.


Trump's voters were given what they wanted in many ways.


In the UK, huge swathes of the population now know they were lied to and conned. Those, particularly the elderly (now gone in their thousands too) who wanted more money for the NHS. The farmers who believed they would be better off when competition from EU was stopped, and now (surprise) realise they in fact export tons of their stuff to the EU- and also realise the standards they work so hard to achieve, at a large cost- will be destroyed by cheap and very poor quality imports from the US. All those in our few remaining industries who are losing their jobs and who see their factories close and move elsewhere with access to EU markets. The list is endless.


The thousands of the elderly who voted for Brexit and now gone, replaced by 1000s of young people who could not vote and are now ready to fight for their rights. With such a tiny weeny majority for Brexit, just the balance between the elderly now gone, and the young ones now of voting age- would tip the balance on its own.




The Financial sector is being decimated. Just the latest to go



https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/go...b&guccounter=1

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Totally different situtaion re Trum and USA, and UK with Brexit. Trump's voters were given what they wanted in many ways. In the UK, huge swathes of the population now know they were lied to and conned. Those, particularly the elderly (now gone in their thousands too) who wanted more money for the NHS. The farmers who believed they would be better off when competition from EU was stopped, and now (surprise) realise they in fact export tons of their stuff to the EU- and also realise the standards they work so hard to achieve, at a large cost- will be destroyed by cheap and very poor quality imports from the US. All those in our few remaining industries who are losing their jobs and who see their factories close and move elsewhere with access to EU markets. The list is endless. The thousands of the elderly who voted for Brexit and now gone, replaced by 1000s of young people who could not vote and are now ready to fight for their rights. With such a tiny weeny majority for Brexit, just the balance between the elderly now gone, and the young ones now of voting age- would tip the balance on its own.

You appear to speak in hyperbole so I don't think it would be worthwhile replying to the more wild of your proclamations. The point remains that there were two democratic opportunities to prevent Brexit (the various court cases notwithstanding). The next opportunity to vote on reentering the EU will likely take place in 40 years, by which time the EU (any many of us!) most likely won't be around any longer!

[Harness]

	Quote:	JackieH
	The thousands of the elderly who voted for Brexit and now gone, replaced by 1000s of young people who could not vote and are now ready to fight for their rights. With such a tiny weeny majority for Brexit, just the balance between the elderly now gone, and the young ones now of voting age- would tip the balance on its own.

If your hypothesis is correct, whoever campaigns at the next election to rejoin the EU will win, if it's still a big topic.

However both Tory and labour support Brexit, which leaves the liberals to rise from the ashes.
It's not out of the question to rejoin, but I think it will be a couple, or more, terms off.

[JackieH]

It was a very different time then, just some months ago. Johnson promised a Deal, and there was no talk then of reneging on his signed and approved agreement, and on reneging on protecting agricultural standards, biosafety and husbandry. And he had a mate called Trump.


Hyperbole did you say- have you re- read your last post. It is biggly the best hyperbole seen in a while.


What a gorgeous day again- the woods call, sunshine and sanity. Ta.

[John William]

	Quote:	JackieH
	It was a very different time then, just some months ago. Johnson promised a Deal, and there was no talk then of reneging on his signed and approved agreement, and on reneging on protecting agricultural standards, biosafety and husbandry. And he had a mate called Trump. Hyperbole did you say- have you re- read your last post. It is biggly the best hyperbole seen in a while. What a gorgeous day again- the woods call, sunshine and sanity. Ta.

Will post-Brexit Britain be spared a bad 'America first' trade deal with the States that would have come
complete with Kentucky fried Chlorinated Chicken, under Biden ?

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Hilarious. You will not get a trade deal so long a Boris refuses to respect the GFA. An Irish American President, an Irish American chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, a Speaker of the House with a native Irish son-in-law and three Irish grandchildren plus 50M+ Irish American voters won’t agree. The Tories will have to make a big climb down if they want to get the trade deals they promised and that means Boris is going to take the blame.

That's the whole point though. The GFA will be respected in its entirety subject to a positive trade deal.

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Totally different situtaion re Trum and USA, and UK with Brexit. Trump's voters were given what they wanted in many ways. In the UK, huge swathes of the population now know they were lied to and conned. Those, particularly the elderly (now gone in their thousands too) who wanted more money for the NHS. The farmers who believed they would be better off when competition from EU was stopped, and now (surprise) realise they in fact export tons of their stuff to the EU- and also realise the standards they work so hard to achieve, at a large cost- will be destroyed by cheap and very poor quality imports from the US. All those in our few remaining industries who are losing their jobs and who see their factories close and move elsewhere with access to EU markets. The list is endless. The thousands of the elderly who voted for Brexit and now gone, replaced by 1000s of young people who could not vote and are now ready to fight for their rights. With such a tiny weeny majority for Brexit, just the balance between the elderly now gone, and the young ones now of voting age- would tip the balance on its own. The Financial sector is being decimated. Just the latest to go https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/go...b&guccounter=1

In the 1960s when you were a new voter I imagine there was the exact same message about the young people changing the agenda and the old folk dying off. Hows that going?

The demographic trends are actually helping the conservatives - the population is aging.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	You appear to speak in hyperbole so I don't think it would be worthwhile replying to the more wild of your proclamations. The point remains that there were two democratic opportunities to prevent Brexit (the various court cases notwithstanding). The next opportunity to vote on reentering the EU will likely take place in 40 years, by which time the EU (any many of us!) most likely won't be around any longer!

Demographics alone in NI indicates that the UK will not exist in 40 years time, it will have been dissolved in accordance the GFA.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	That's the whole point though. The GFA will be respected in its entirety subject to a positive trade deal.

Do you understand that will require the Tories to repeal the withdrawal bill? The Irish foreign minister has already say it is unacceptable to them.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Demographics alone in NI indicates that the UK will not exist in 40 years time, it will have been dissolved in accordance the GFA.

Is anyone actually bothered?

[JackieH]

Thank the Lord...s


Boris Johnson’s plan to break international law over Brexit has been overwhelmingly rejected by the House of Lords.
Peers voted by 433 to 165 to strip out clauses in the Internal Market Bill which would allow the UK to renege on its obligations in the withdrawal agreement signed with the EU.


The defeat, one of the largest of any government in the Lords since hereditary peers were slimmed down in the 1990s, means that Johnson will have to weigh up whether to reinsert the clause in the House of Commons next month.
In another overwhelming show of strength, the Lords also voted by 407 to 148 to remove any breach of the northern Ireland protocol in the EU withdrawal treaty.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	JackieH
	The Financial sector is being decimated. Just the latest to go https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/go...b&guccounter=1

A US investment Bank moves other people's assets, it makes zero difference where assets are held. I suspect very few of the beneficial owners are even British.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Thank the Lord...s Boris Johnson’s plan to break international law over Brexit has been overwhelmingly rejected by the House of Lords. Peers voted by 433 to 165 to strip out clauses in the Internal Market Bill which would allow the UK to renege on its obligations in the withdrawal agreement signed with the EU. The defeat, one of the largest of any government in the Lords since hereditary peers were slimmed down in the 1990s, means that Johnson will have to weigh up whether to reinsert the clause in the House of Commons next month. In another overwhelming show of strength, the Lords also voted by 407 to 148 to remove any breach of the northern Ireland protocol in the EU withdrawal treaty.

This is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. The House of Commons is supreme and the unamended Bill will eventually be passed if the government wishes it to be so.

[RufusB]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	You appear to speak in hyperbole so I don't think it would be worthwhile replying to the more wild of your proclamations. The point remains that there were two democratic opportunities to prevent Brexit (the various court cases notwithstanding). The next opportunity to vote on reentering the EU will likely take place in 40 years, by which time the EU (any many of us!) most likely won't be around any longer!

You do realise that you mostly use hyperbolic declaratives, no?

	Quote:	Harness
	If your hypothesis is correct, whoever campaigns at the next election to rejoin the EU will win, if it's still a big topic. However both Tory and labour support Brexit, which leaves the liberals to rise from the ashes. It's not out of the question to rejoin, but I think it will be a couple, or more, terms off.

What, all of them? I don't think so.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Is anyone actually bothered?

Yep. But probably only those of us who live here.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	This is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. The House of Commons is supreme and the unamended Bill will eventually be passed if the government wishes it to be so.

Hyperbole. And don't bet the farm.

[JackieH]

Hyperbole from Sir John, from BBC News


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The UK has said it is hopeful of securing a comprehensive deal modelled on the EU's arrangement with Canada, but Sir John said it was "disingenuous" of ministers to pretend they were not seeking far deeper commitments in key areas, such as energy and aviation.


He said he feared, as a result, the process would end up either with no deal or a "flimsy and bare-bones" agreement that created new barriers to trade and would be a "wretched betrayal" of the promises made to British voters during the 2016 referendum.


"These costs and complexities are the certain legacy of Brexit," he said. "This is as a result of our negotiating failure - and it is a failure.


"Because of our bombast, our blustering, our threats and our inflexibility - our trade will be less profitable, our Treasury poorer, our jobs fewer, and our future less prosperous."


He added: "It now seems that on 1 January next year, Brexit may be even more brutal than anyone expected."


spot on, and most of us know this.

[JackieH]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	A US investment Bank moves other people's assets, it makes zero difference where assets are held. I suspect very few of the beneficial owners are even British.

The Financial Sector firms are moving to the EU - not just funds. And with them go all the taxes emanating from the Financial Sector.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	JackieH
	The Financial Sector firms are moving to the EU - not just funds. And with them go all the taxes emanating from the Financial Sector.

A handful of people are moving. Terry Smith who runs the UK's largest fund Fundsmith moved to Mauritius January 2017, so what?

Have their taxes repaid the bailout with market returns since 2008?

[JackieH]

Many are ready and waiting- just until they know what sort of Deal or No Deal we will end up with. Believe me, they are more ready than the Government.

[JackieH]

Groan again. How daft and infantile.



But I know that you know ... so stop playing silly games


https://news.efinancialcareers.com/u...-out-of-london

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Many are ready and waiting- just until they know what sort of Deal or No Deal we will end up with. Believe me, they are more ready than the Government.

The thing is, most won't be needed soon due to A.I.