The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	RufusB
	The WWMs (wealthy white males) in charge won't want to let go.

The shareholders won't give them the option.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	JackieH
	The result was indeed hard to take, especially with such a tiny majority.

That's what Trump thought too

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	RufusB
	In banking and finance? The ultimate bastion of privileged white men?

This is written by a friend, she comes from the North, educated at a comprehensive, went to Oxford.

"I remember distinctly the moment I lost all ambition for banking.
I was about 26/27, with a good few years behind me on the trading floor, and I had made it to VP. Nothing fancy there, it was standard progression by about that age. The fancy part was the next bit. Making it to MD. Which, as I saw it, you would get to either by being a rocket scientist superstar, or you'd been there 10 years and just worked to death. I didn't fancy either of those if I'm honest. But that wasn't what turned me off that day...
Unfortunately, the worst people to work with on the trading floor were women. It really pains me to say it now. But God it was true then.
What came to light was the extent of what a particular female MD had done to another woman (we were in the minority). Stitched up doesn't cover it! I know, it sounds like a movie. But at that point, I just said no way. If that's what you have to do to move up, I'm out.
Today, still in finance, but with the contacts I'm surrounded by today, it couldn't more different.
In The Property Sisters, it's not about being a woman. It's about being a sister. Sisters bicker! But the support, shared values and dare I say it, LOVE, make me so proud to be a woman in this industry."

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	RufusB
	In banking and finance? The ultimate bastion of privileged white men?

Not really anymore. It's not the 1980s. Its really heavily minority - my wife (asian) worked in Canary Wharf, so i've met a lot of bankers, asset managers etc. Number of white brits is pretty low. These days there are more maths nerds and less Nigel Farage types. Sure at the very top its probably still whiteish and maleish (reflecting the intake in said 1980s) - but changing fast. By 2030 it won't be. My wife's manager was a British Indian - his manager (very high up) is white British - but probably pushing 60.

The ultimate bastion of privileged white men is in my own sector - law. We are waaaaay less diverse than finance.

[JackieH]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...alks-cg703zvcd


don't take my word for it.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	JackieH
	https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...alks-cg703zvcd don't take my word for it.

You don't normally quote the Tory press do you

[JackieH]

specifically chosen, just for you- as you would not read or believe anything not from the Tory Press

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	You don't normally quote the Tory press do you

Have you ran for the Tory Party in the past?

[JackieH]

In the meantime, things have been made crystal clear to the UK today


“This is a clear red line for us.”



Congressman Brendan Boyle tells Channel 4 News Matt Frei “there will be no US-UK trade deal - period” if the UK government moves forward with the Internal Market Bill.''

[JackieH]

From Cityam.com - the good news continue


Brexit: City of London set to be shut out of EU with no equivalence deal with bloc from 2021

[gaburko]

A great article on the FT

The ‘special relationship’ has run out of time

in a nutshell "The open secret about London’s cherished “special relationship” with Washington is that it is a great deal more special for the British than for the Americans..."

most interestingly "Brexit has further diminished the worth of the relationship to the US. For the 40-odd years of its membership, the UK was a supportive, Atlanticist voice in the counsels of Europe, amplifying Washington’s liberal, open-market instincts. Post Brexit, that role has been lost and with it has gone a significant measure of US interest in the UK..."


https://www.ft.com/content/c7f77aa3-...9-c0ef229f3ef0

[TonyClifton]

The UK needs to forget the idea of the "Special Relationship". It's not been special for a very long time, and the US certainly doesn't think it's special. Sure they go along with it as long as the UK does what it's told in sending young men to their unnecessary deaths in Iraq or Afghanistan. For the most part though it's the US telling the UK what to do. The UK gets no special favours as a result and moving forward the UK should focus more on her own self-interest.

Whilst the press focus on how bad Joe Biden's victory is for the UK, it's quickly been forgotten how appalling Donald Trump treated the country. He humiliated the UK ambassador, opposed Theresa May's Brexit policy, allowed Mr Pompeo to say the UK was "siding with the Ayatollahs" and undermined UK intelligence.

The UK remains very important to the US and Joe Biden for realising many the strategic goals of their foreign policy. An important relationship but by no means special.

[gaburko]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	it's quickly been forgotten how appalling Donald Trump treated the country. He humiliated the UK ambassador, opposed Theresa May's Brexit policy, allowed Mr Pompeo to say the UK was "siding with the Ayatollahs" and undermined UK intelligence.

Sure, the UK is now a lonely island with less and less friends, why would you expect any other treatment? Humiliating it comes with lower costs than before.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	gaburko
	Sure, the UK is now a lonely island with less and less friends, why would you expect any other treatment? Humiliating it comes with lower costs than before.

This is an over simplification that doesn't match with reality.

[JackieH]

Who are you kidding?


In the meantime, 6 weeks from 1st of Jan- there are NO, NONE whatsover plans afoot to replace SIS2 date database to check incoming criminals and terrorists. As Brexiters rub their hands with glee with the joy of Priti Patel's finally stopping FOP - they have no idea that in a few weeks' time- all and sundry will be able to enter the UK without being checked at all. A very dangerous and stupid situation.


From Yvette Cooper:


I asked the Minister for Future Borders & Immigration what border security checks will be from 1 January 2021.

Incredibly, he didn’t know.

It’s in 8 weeks time.

Currently everyone entering the UK is checked against the European SIS2 criminal database which holds millions of details on wanted criminals, missing persons, stolen vehicles etc from all over Europe. Border Force check it when they swipe our passports. It’s really important for keeping us safe as Border Force & the Police together check it 600 million times a year to help catch dangerous criminals or stop them at the border.

The Government has said we may not be able to use the SIS2 database from 1 January so at our Parliamentary Committee meeting, I asked what their alternative plan was to maintain border checks?

Worryingly, neither the Minister nor the officials seemed to have any idea.

The Minister says he will stop foreign criminals but how will he know who they are?

We’re only 8 weeks away from January. The Government needs to urgently tell us what is going on.

[JackieH]

And whilst all this is going on - the silly b*ggars are playing musical chairs at Downing Street. Hurrah.

[marton]

From the Grundian "Trudeau: UK's lack of negotiating practice could delay Canada trade deal"

[3Wishes]

	Quote:	JackieH
	...We’re only 8 weeks away from January. The Government needs to urgently tell us what is going on.

Based on what I've read when I peek into this thread, I'm not sure the Government knows what is going on.

If a journalist asks such an important question and gets blank stares, it means someone in the government didn't think very far ahead. Or if they did, the plan for dealing with border checks hasn't been communicated to the right folks.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Based on what I've read when I peek into this thread, I'm not sure the Government knows what is going on. If a journalist asks such an important question and gets blank stares, it means someone in the government didn't think very far ahead. Or if they did, the plan for dealing with border checks hasn't been communicated to the right folks.

It's really very simple, the default is no deal. The reality is there will probably be a deal.

[JackieH]

Great, so No Deal with EU, No Deal with USA, No deal with Canada - combined with Covid and massive lost of trust and status in the world. Bravo.


Or course disaster capitalists sitting outside will rub their hands and as you cleary stated recently, jump to trading and fill their pockets on the back of everyone else. Bravo.


Just as Jacob-Rees Mogg's dad taught them in his book.



''If we crash out of Europe, the dark money that helped to buy Brexit will strive to use this opportunity to tear down our regulations: this, after all, was the point of the exercise. The tantalising prospect for the world’s pollutocrats is that the UK might become a giant export-processing zone, exempt from the laws that govern other rich nations. It’s a huge potential prize, which could begin to reconfigure the global relationship between capital and governments. They will fight as hard and dirty to achieve it as they did to win the vote. A combination of economic rupture, sudden shifts in ownership, an urgent desire to strike new trade deals and a possible regulatory abyss presents a golden opportunity for disaster capitalism. Our first task is to see it coming. Our second is to stop it.


• George Monbiot is a Guardian columnist''


https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...it-environment