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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Great, so No Deal with EU, No Deal with USA, No deal with Canada - combined with Covid and massive lost of trust and status in the world. Bravo.
I don’t really see why any country should be in a rush to do a trade deal with the UK. According to the UK’s proposed WTO terms 87% of EU goods will enter the UK tariff free as opposed to 81% at present and those terms will now apply to the whole of the WTO, not just the EU. Probably the biggest impact will be food imports into the UK.

I can see the motivation on the side of the UK, because in most cases other WTO members terms are not at zero percent.

I have not seen any assessment of what the UKs new WTO terms means for say the US versus the current terms and so on.
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In banking and finance? The ultimate bastion of privileged white men?
You are very wrong, Goldman Sachs latest partners
"Women and ethnic minorities made up almost half the new class of partners in this round, two years after Goldman's 2018 class included the highest percentage of women and black partners in its history."
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/go...110558575.html
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You are very wrong, Goldman Sachs latest partners
"Women and ethnic minorities made up almost half the new class of partners in this round, two years after Goldman's 2018 class included the highest percentage of women and black partners in its history."
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/go...110558575.html
This round. That's one company, very recently. Historically, culturally, I'm right. You can deny it all you like.
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This is written by a friend, she comes from the North, educated at a comprehensive, went to Oxford.

"I remember distinctly the moment I lost all ambition for banking.
I was about 26/27, with a good few years behind me on the trading floor, and I had made it to VP. Nothing fancy there, it was standard progression by about that age. The fancy part was the next bit. Making it to MD. Which, as I saw it, you would get to either by being a rocket scientist superstar, or you'd been there 10 years and just worked to death. I didn't fancy either of those if I'm honest. But that wasn't what turned me off that day...
Unfortunately, the worst people to work with on the trading floor were women. It really pains me to say it now. But God it was true then.
What came to light was the extent of what a particular female MD had done to another woman (we were in the minority). Stitched up doesn't cover it! I know, it sounds like a movie. But at that point, I just said no way. If that's what you have to do to move up, I'm out.
Today, still in finance, but with the contacts I'm surrounded by today, it couldn't more different.
In The Property Sisters, it's not about being a woman. It's about being a sister. Sisters bicker! But the support, shared values and dare I say it, LOVE, make me so proud to be a woman in this industry."

They let northern women into Oxbridge? Fancy that...

Trading floor. Minority of women as MDs. If the point of this is to highlight that some women can be bitter vindictive bosses, then that's not news. So can some men. It's personality type, not gender. Bet the top tiers were still men.

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Not really anymore. It's not the 1980s. Its really heavily minority - my wife (asian) worked in Canary Wharf, so i've met a lot of bankers, asset managers etc. Number of white brits is pretty low. These days there are more maths nerds and less Nigel Farage types. Sure at the very top its probably still whiteish and maleish (reflecting the intake in said 1980s) - but changing fast. By 2030 it won't be. My wife's manager was a British Indian - his manager (very high up) is white British - but probably pushing 60.

The ultimate bastion of privileged white men is in my own sector - law. We are waaaaay less diverse than finance.

That's my point: white older males in charge. Yes it's changing but very slowly and culturally the shift is practically tectonic.
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Old 13.11.2020, 18:07
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This round. That's one company, very recently. Historically, culturally, I'm right. You can deny it all you like.
They are looking for the best people as it's about making money, lots of money & nothing else. Since the managers bonus's can vary many millions based on the performance of their team. It was exactly the same 25 years ago before floatation.

I get the feeling you are looking for excuses for yourself, probably looking in the mirror would be a good start. Ultimately everyone is responsible for their own destiny.
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They let northern women into Oxbridge? Fancy that...

Trading floor. Minority of women as MDs. If the point of this is to highlight that some women can be bitter vindictive bosses, then that's not news. So can some men. It's personality type, not gender. Bet the top tiers were still men.




That's my point: white older males in charge. Yes it's changing but very slowly and culturally the shift is practically tectonic.
It has everything to do with gender. There are less women in law because few women are good negotiators, there are less women in investment finance because women are risk averse and the list goes on. You can deny the engendered differences between sexes and cultures but the reality will always prove you wrong by simply staring you in the face. You can choose to ignore reality if it suits your imagination.
P.S. There are almost no women automechanics or car collectors. Pure White Rich Male misoginy.
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Old 13.11.2020, 18:15
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They let northern women into Oxbridge? Fancy that...

Trading floor. Minority of women as MDs. If the point of this is to highlight that some women can be bitter vindictive bosses, then that's not news. So can some men. It's personality type, not gender. Bet the top tiers were still men.




That's my point: white older males in charge. Yes it's changing but very slowly and culturally the shift is practically tectonic.
The women who get to the top in Banking have tended to put their careers ahead of having a family. Being you can retire a multimillionaire in your 40's, when the majority of GS partners 'retire'.

Karen Brady became the Managing Director of Birmingham City football club aged 23. She was also the UK's youngest Managing Director of a UK plc in 1997 when the floated (she was 28). I guess most people would think football was fairly male dominated. She made a conscious decision not to go to university, as she was keen to get out in the world and make her mark, which she has done.
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Cummings - GONE
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Cummings - GONE
I agree, It's a very sad day for Britain, we need more hard working brilliant people like Dominic, at least we have Priti Patel a brilliant politician.
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Yes Cummings given the boot, I reckon as confirmed on BBC News. Looks like things are starting to
work out, 'fine and dandy' in the World with Trump voted out of the White House, replaced by Biden
and now Cummings getting his comeuppance today.

Maybe Priti 'nasty' Patel will be next followed by Jacob Rees-Mogg appointed Governor General
of some remote inconsequential Commonwealth island that the FCO have difficulty finding
on the map.

BBC News - Cummings to leave No.10 with immediate effect
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sadly, can't see your post FMF. I am sure it is fascinating
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About freaking time.
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They are looking for the best people as it's about making money, lots of money & nothing else. Since the managers bonus's can vary many millions based on the performance of their team. It was exactly the same 25 years ago before floatation.

I get the feeling you are looking for excuses for yourself, probably looking in the mirror would be a good start. Ultimately everyone is responsible for their own destiny.
RufusB is a teacher and she was probably never ever tempted by finance and auto mechanics. That doesn't prevent her from noticing certain things. You are, again, attacking someone you appear to know absolutely nothing about. Like your fa la la la friend i.e. music chick.
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It has everything to do with gender. There are less women in law because few women are good negotiators, there are less women in investment finance because women are risk averse and the list goes on. You can deny the engendered differences between sexes and cultures but the reality will always prove you wrong by simply staring you in the face. You can choose to ignore reality if it suits your imagination.
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RufusB is a teacher and she was probably never ever tempted by finance and auto mechanics. That doesn't prevent her from noticing certain things. You are, again, attacking someone you appear to know absolutely nothing about. Like your fa la la la friend i.e. music chick.
I've just asked my ethnically Chinese wife who worked as an asset manager in HSBC.

She says professional staff are c. 50% ethnic minority and perhaps 30% white British. Management maybe more like 50% white british. She did say that front office is a bit whiter because "white people don't want to work in back office and (non-British) Asians need a visa". Finance being one of the relatively few professions that sponsors visas for new graduates.

My legal firm in London had about 50 lawyers. 0 non white (there have been a couple hired since I left). The only non-white employees were in the IT department which was 100% Indian origin.

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That was my first reaction too.

Is it true there are less women in law in the UK? Now that would be surprising.

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I actually lived in Canary Wharf and my (ethnically Chinese) wife was an asset manager.
Didn't say who was right or wrong as I have seen no official stats so far.. I gathered RufusB was speaking about top levels management?
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A very interesting discussions re women in High Level Finance or Law. Many, increasing numbers, yes. Senior Management and full Partners- few still.



I'd say for a thread of its own- as it is not really linked to the subject of the OP.
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That was my first reaction too.

Is it true there are less women in law in the UK? Now that would be surprising.

Didn't say who was right or wrong as I have seen no official stats so far.. I gathered RufusB was speaking about top levels management?
My old firm is 19 men, 4.5 women (one part time) at the partner level. 0 minority

The other place I was at is 21 men, 6 women at the partner level. 0 minority
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Really! Ignored the lockdown again?
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