The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	My old firm is 19 men, 4.5 women (one part time) at the partner level. 0 minority The other place I was at is 21 men, 6 women at the partner level. 0 minority

My Brothers wife did her Articles at Slaughter & May, she then had her first baby & felt working long hours 6/7 days a week was not what she wanted to, this was necessary as a corporate lawyer in London. She resigned 6 months later when she fell pregnant again.

Plenty of women start as lawyers but less than half stay long enough to become partners.

[John William]

	Quote:	marton
	Really! Ignored the lockdown again?

Watching Dominic Cummings on BBC News leaving No.10 for the last time ( carrying the contents of his
office desk in a storage box ) Dom didn't even have the decency to wear a face mask as he stepped
out into Downing Street.

[John William]

Hopefully peoples compliance with the Covid restrictions will be improved now that Cummings has gone.

[JackieH]

	Quote:	John William
	Watching Dominic Cummings on BBC News leaving No.10 for the last time ( carrying the contents of his office desk in a storage box ) Dom didn't even have the decency to wear a face mask as he stepped out into Downing Street.

It looked so staged - all for show perhaps but ... what are they truly up to?


Have you ever seen anyone sacked, leaving the business with security tag around their neck? No? Me neither.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	JackieH
	It looked so staged - all for show perhaps but ... what are they truly up to?

A deal with the EU perhaps?

[marton]

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	Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) is one of the largest free trade agreements in the world and signed today after eight years of negotiations. A single multilateral agreement with Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam, Australia, China, Japan, New Zealand, South Korea. Pan-Asia trade pact covers a third of the world’s population and economic output. The new free trade bloc will be bigger than both the US-Mexico-Canada Agreement and the European Union.

In contrast, more than 20 of the existing deals covering 50 countries or territories that the UK had access to via the EU have been rolled over and will start on 1 January 2021.
This represents about 8% of total UK trade, based on 2018 figures, there are no known UK attempts to join the RCEP..

[JackieH]

What a slime ball- and yes, many people voted Leave as they were told it would save the NHS


https://youtu.be/NPju2_1ksEE




PM back in the fridge - funnily one of the few contacted by 'track and trace'

[John William]

	Quote:	JackieH
	PM back in the fridge - funnily one of the few contacted by 'track and trace'

More like 'trick or treat'

	Quote:	marton
	In contrast, more than 20 of the existing deals covering 50 countries or territories that the UK had access to via the EU have been rolled over and will start on 1 January 2021. This represents about 8% of total UK trade, based on 2018 figures, there are no known UK attempts to join the RCEP..

The UK has no presence in Asia and no border with the Pacific Ocean. The RCEP is exclusively for Asia-Pacific nations, so the UK is not welcome. The significant exclusions are India (which withdrew last year, but the door remains open) and the US, which under Trump actively worked against regional partnerships outside of North America and, of course, pitted itself aggressively against China, the lead nation in the RCEP.

[marton]

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	The UK has no presence in Asia and no border with the Pacific Ocean. The RCEP is exclusively for Asia-Pacific nations, so the UK is not welcome. The significant exclusions are India (which withdrew last year, but the door remains open) and the US, which under Trump actively worked against regional partnerships outside of North America and, of course, pitted itself aggressively against China, the lead nation in the RCEP.

Well according to the UK Govt the UK is trying to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership without a border with the Pacific Ocean.
Joining the RCEP would not be such a big step wider.

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	UK approach to joining the CPTPP trade agreement An update on the UK's approach to joining the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).

Source

[TonyClifton]

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	The UK has no presence in Asia and no border with the Pacific Ocean. The RCEP is exclusively for Asia-Pacific nations, so the UK is not welcome. The significant exclusions are India (which withdrew last year, but the door remains open) and the US, which under Trump actively worked against regional partnerships outside of North America and, of course, pitted itself aggressively against China, the lead nation in the RCEP.

Correction, thanks to Fletcher Christian and his Bounty mutineers, the UK DOES have a presence in the Pacific Ocean!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_Islands

Encouraging as RCEP is, one does wonder if it won't be used as a tool for China to exert her influence. Just as politics will prevent any trade deal being signed between the UK-US anytime soon due to agriculture and food standards, the whole brouhaha over Huawei and 5G would lead to similar issues for any trade deal involving China.

TPP is more ambitious than RCEP and would be a good place to start for the UK post Brexit.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Correction, thanks to Fletcher Christian and his Bounty mutineers, the UK DOES have a presence in the Pacific Ocean! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_Islands Encouraging as RCEP is, one does wonder if it won't be used as a tool for China to exert her influence. Just as politics will prevent any trade deal being signed between the UK-US anytime soon due to agriculture and food standards, the whole brouhaha over Huawei and 5G would lead to similar issues for any trade deal involving China. TPP is more ambitious than RCEP and would be a good place to start for the UK post Brexit.

Correction to your correction, none of the British Overseas Terrirories forms part of the United Kingdom.

With regard to the RCEP, undoubtedly it's a tool for China to exert her influence. That doesn't mean that countries should seek to stay away. That would be like refusing to deal with the US because it's the biggest player in its region.

The TPP is dead, there's no door there for the UK. If you mean the CPTPP, it's relatively tiny, representing 13.4% of global GDP. The RCEP represents more than a third of global GDP and is by far the biggest trade arrangement in the world.

[marton]

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	Correction to your correction, none of the British Overseas Terrirories forms part of the United Kingdom. With regard to the RCEP, undoubtedly it's a tool for China to exert her influence. That doesn't mean that countries should seek to stay away. That would be like refusing to deal with the US because it's the biggest player in its region. The TPP is dead, there's no door there for the UK. If you mean the CPTPP, it's relatively tiny, representing 13.4% of global GDP. The RCEP represents more than a third of global GDP and is by far the biggest trade arrangement in the world.

Assuming Boris fails to make deals with the EU and the US that practically only leaves Asia and the Pacific, not much mileage in Africa and South America.

	Quote:	marton
	Assuming Boris fails to make deals with the EU and the US that practically only leaves Asia and the Pacific, not much mileage in Africa and South America.

Antarctica?

[fatmanfilms]

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	Antarctica?

The only continent with lower growth than Europe since 2000.

[John William]

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	Antarctica?

Surely Antarctica is melting away as we speak !!

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The only continent with lower growth than Europe since 2000.

Given the increase in the number of scientists stationed there since 2000 even that is probably debatable

I see the big covid 7 year budget has been vetoed by Poland and Hungary. Ultimately it is for reasons such as this that the UK was right to exit the EU. Eventually there will simply be too many cracks that have been papered over for the EU to continue in its present form. Either the EU will break completely or become fully federal.

[RufusB]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I get the feeling you are looking for excuses for yourself, probably looking in the mirror would be a good start. Ultimately everyone is responsible for their own destiny.

I'd say with every comment you show us your true face. You clearly cannot comprehend why somone would choose a profession not motivated purely by money. I'm very happy with my life choices. I get the feeling you'rea bit Scrooge McDuck, but without the warm personality.

	Quote:	BoredToDeath
	It has everything to do with gender. There are less women in law because few women are good negotiators, there are less women in investment finance because women are risk averse and the list goes on. You can deny the engendered differences between sexes and cultures but the reality will always prove you wrong by simply staring you in the face. You can choose to ignore reality if it suits your imagination. P.S. There are almost no women automechanics or car collectors. Pure White Rich Male misoginy.

Oh good grief. Absolute tosh, in more ways than one.

	Quote:	greenmount
	RufusB is a teacher and she was probably never ever tempted by finance and auto mechanics. That doesn't prevent her from noticing certain things. You are, again, attacking someone you appear to know absolutely nothing about. Like your fa la la la friend i.e. music chick.

I hadn't even noticed his personal attack until you posted this. He does like to get mummy's attention doesn't he? Speaks volumes.

	Quote:	greenmount
	I gathered RufusB was speaking about top levels management?

Yep. In a tangential comment about FMFs ludicrous assertion that has now gone so far off topic as to be absurd, just because...

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	She resigned 6 months later when she fell pregnant again. Plenty of women start as lawyers but less than half stay long enough to become partners.

Fell....

Probably can't be arsed with the boy's network. My friend's daughter must be bucking the trend then. Partner before 30.

[JackieH]

Oh I wish you wouldn't quote - makes posts visible I am trying hard to avoid. Sadly even someone on ignore is visible if quoted, or if looking at 'Quickies' without logging on.


But yes, yes and more yes.

[RufusB]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Oh I wish you wouldn't quote - makes posts visible I am trying hard to avoid. Sadly even someone on ignore is visible if quoted, or if looking at 'Quickies' without logging on. But yes, yes and more yes.

Sorry. Block me? None taken etc etc

Some of what he posts is comedy gold though, amirite? I must be his personal Venn diagram of All Bad Things.