The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	BS! I know three people who've witnessed how she behaves first hand. All three, independent of each other, say it was shocking behaviour, the likes of which they've not witnessed from a government minister in recent decades, and they've seen it on more than one occasion. A fourth person, who's been a very good friend for over 20yrs and has also witnessed her behaviour but not to the extent of the other three, and backs that up. He worked and socialised with government ministers for several years and says they all know what she's like and find it "distasteful", so you can have your opinion all day long. People I know and trust say "she's a nasty piece of work".

I know her ex-boss at (IIRC) Shell who likes her.

[marton]

As I and many others forecast, Ireland and a future US deal are intertwined.

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	A border dividing Ireland and Northern Ireland "is just not right," U.S. President-elect Joe Biden said. “We do not want a guarded border," Biden told reporters on Tuesday. "We want to make sure — we’ve worked too long to get Ireland worked out ... The idea of having a border north and south once again being closed is just not right, we’ve just got to keep the border open.” Biden said he had spoken to U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Irish Prime Minister Micheál Martin as well as the French and others about the issue.

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[RufusB]

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	I know her ex-boss at (IIRC) Shell who likes her.

I bet plenty of folk who were managed by her loathe her. She strikes me as someone who sucks up to the powered lot and tramples over everyone else.

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	RufusB
	I bet plenty of folk who were managed by her loathe her. She strikes me as someone who sucks up to the powered lot and tramples over everyone else.

Admittedly this ex-boss is also a chairman of a large SW london conservative party (and is slightly famous in their own right) - so there's probably some commonality between the two.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	Admittedly this ex-boss is also a chairman of a large SW london conservative party (and is slightly famous in their own right) - so there's probably some commonality between the two.

Often successful people in their line of work don't bother being 'nice', the thing its if all you can say about someone is that they are nice it's an insult. Dull, boring or stupid come to mind but then I am not nice

[Harness]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Often successful people in their line of work don't bother being 'nice', the thing its if all you can say about someone is that they are nice it's an insult. Dull, boring or stupid come to mind but then I am not nice

The Priti story is already dead, because no-one cares about tough manager upsets people.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Harness
	The Priti story is already dead, because no-one cares about tough manager upsets people.

The Labour Party can't stand her, basically because she is of Indian heritage and the daughter of immigrants yet doesn't conform to how they think such people should behave! She is strong willed and vehemently opposed to using her race as a badge of victimhood. This is why the Guardian believed it was perfectly justified printing a racist cartoon depicting her.

[Troublawesome]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Often successful people in their line of work don't bother being 'nice', the thing its if all you can say about someone is that they are nice it's an insult. Dull, boring or stupid come to mind but then I am not nice

Don't worry, no one will ever call you nice. Can't vouch for stupid, dull or boring but nice definitely not

[greenmount]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Often successful people in their line of work don't bother being 'nice', the thing its if all you can say about someone is that they are nice it's an insult. Dull, boring or stupid come to mind but then I am not nice

Generally speaking, I would say they are not successful if they feel the need to behave like assholes to hide their insecurities or incompetence.

Btw, your logic is a bit like the one used in high-end boutiques: treat customers with superiority and they'll want your outrageously expensive product even more. It doesn't necessarily function in all the cases.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Generally speaking, I would say they are not successful if they feel the need to behave like assholes to hide their insecurities or incompetence. Btw, your logic is a bit like the one used in high-end boutiques: treat customers with superiority and they'll want your outrageously expensive product even more. It doesn't necessarily function in all the cases.

They are not behaving like arseholes, just don’t feel the need to create rapport & be liked. Shows confidence if you ask me.

Never had that problem myself

[JackieH]

From Deborah Meaden

''Dear Rishi Sunak. Did you not mention Brexit today because you don't understand the HUGE and negative impact on the Economy

or because you DO and they are TOO HUGE and negative to even start to explain''

[RufusB]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Often successful people in their line of work don't bother being 'nice', the thing its if all you can say about someone is that they are nice it's an insult. Dull, boring or stupid come to mind but then I am not nice

If that's all someone can be be described as then I guess the person doing the describing lacks both imagination and vocabulary.


Nice is vastly underrated if you ask me. Along with kind, decent and sincere.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	The Labour Party can't stand her, basically because she is of Indian heritage and the daughter of immigrants yet doesn't conform to how they think such people should behave! She is strong willed and vehemently opposed to using her race as a badge of victimhood. This is why the Guardian believed it was perfectly justified printing a racist cartoon depicting her.

She's a foul person. Strong willed does not excuse bullying.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	They are not behaving like arseholes, just don’t feel the need to create rapport & be liked. Shows confidence if you ask me. Never had that problem myself

Isn't Tom Cruise famous for being nice and creating rapport? Took the adage about being careful who you tread on on the way up because you never know who you'll meet on the way down?

So many roles depend on the success of a team therefore creating rapport and being likeable is very important. Only total throbbers think otherwise. IMO, obvs.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	RufusB
	Isn't Tom Cruise famous for being nice and creating rapport? Took the adage about being careful who you tread on on the way up because you never know who you'll meet on the way down? So many roles depend on the success of a team therefore creating rapport and being likeable is very important. Only total throbbers think otherwise. IMO, obvs.

Thats because he is always recruiting for the Church of Scientology

A team is as good as it's weakest member, it's finding the few outstanding people is the way to success. Goldman Sachs routinely sack the bottom performing 20% of their staff.

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	The Labour Party can't stand her, basically because she is of Indian heritage and the daughter of immigrants yet doesn't conform to how they think such people should behave! She is strong willed and vehemently opposed to using her race as a badge of victimhood. This is why the Guardian believed it was perfectly justified printing a racist cartoon depicting her.

I agree with this.

I also think that none of the dramatic response to her here and hysterical adjectives depict her correctly. She logically seems to be who you get when you mix intelligent and hardworking.

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	JackieH
	From Deborah Meaden ''Dear Rishi Sunak. Did you not mention Brexit today because you don't understand the HUGE and negative impact on the Economy or because you DO and they are TOO HUGE and negative to even start to explain''

So huge that of the richest four European countries, three - Switzerland (1st), Norway (2nd), and Iceland (4th) are non-EU.

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	So huge that (after microstate luxembourg), the richest two European countries, Norway and Switzerland are both non-EU.

HUGE economies.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	RufusB
	If that's all someone can be be described as then I guess the person doing the describing lacks both imagination and vocabulary. Nice is vastly underrated if you ask me. Along with kind, decent and sincere. She's a foul person. Strong willed does not excuse bullying. Isn't Tom Cruise famous for being nice and creating rapport? Took the adage about being careful who you tread on on the way up because you never know who you'll meet on the way down? So many roles depend on the success of a team therefore creating rapport and being likeable is very important. Only total throbbers think otherwise. IMO, obvs.

Absolutely. Best managers I had were very nice persons too. But I guess they didn't have any reason to pose and fake some cooler-than-you attitude. Colleagues too. Misplaced competitiveness and office nastiness are a drag for the entire team imo.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Absolutely. Best managers I had were very nice persons too. But I guess they didn't have any reason to pose and fake some cooler-than-you attitude. Colleagues too. Misplaced competitiveness were a drag imo.

I always just hire the best people available, let them do their jobs & take the credit for producing the best work.

The problem is Priti had inherited loads of work shy Civil Servants, if you ever watched Yes Minister you might understand, getting them to resign is the intention.

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I always just hire the best people available, let them do their jobs & take the credit for producing the best work.

Which is the fate of any employees, I think. Happens to everyone before becoming an independent.

[JackieH]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	I agree with this. I also think that none of the dramatic response to her here and hysterical adjectives depict her correctly. She logically seems to be who you get when you mix intelligent and hardworking.

Do you have any idea whatsoever of whom you speak here? Read 'The View from the Bridge' by Arthur Miller.