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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
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I would not agree with that at all. I'd say the started out in very much the same situation in 1973, but their paths after that are very different.


I remember the build up to 1973 very well and it was seen in Ireland as the biggest opportunity that had come along in the history and by God were we going to take full advantage of it! There was a massive program to support industry, educate farmer etc.... and the attitude was that if you were not preparing for this, there was something wrong with you!


Even politically, decisions on the country's position in terms of the EU is reserved to the people. The government can only negotiate, no more, after that it's up to the people - they have ownership of the decision. Unlike the UK, no one can argue that they did not vote for this or that, they voted on every single treaty change - the result might not have gone their way... but still.


It's also very difficult to find a household in Ireland where at least a few of the people have not lived and worked abroad, which is unusual. So the attitude of working with foreigners, doing business abroad etc... is very different.


So I'd say yes language is similar, law very much so - there is usually only a timing difference between the two jurisdictions. After that I'd say not so much.


In general though I'd say the EU favors small nations. In a small nation, for companies to grow exporting is a necessity not just an option as say for small companies in the UK. And the single market gives them a very big market on the same terms as their current market, if they take advantage of it.
The Irish PUNT lost value to the £ IIRC.
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

More on the continuing British ports crisis:
Quote - On top of skyrocketing shipping rates, carriers are adding congestion
charges for iports to Felixstowe and Southampton, because of severe delays.

BBC News - Price rises likely due to UK Shipping problems
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

And of course, this is now an issue too:
New regulations on entry with animals and animal products from the United Kingdom.
I always brought back some sausages and bacon from this amazing butcher in my Grandad's village. Seriously some of the best I've ever tasted and locally sourced. So I guess that will no longer be happening , I'm not the type to break laws, even if I disagree with them and they affect me negatively.

I hope this won't be too much of a headache for grumpygrapefruit, it seems he is now our sole hope for British cheese and bacon/sausages!
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And of course, this is now an issue too:
New regulations on entry with animals and animal products from the United Kingdom.
I always brought back some sausages and bacon from this amazing butcher in my Grandad's village. Seriously some of the best I've ever tasted and locally sourced. So I guess that will no longer be happening , I'm not the type to break laws, even if I disagree with them and they affect me negatively.

I hope this won't be too much of a headache for grumpygrapefruit, it seems he is now our sole hope for British cheese and bacon/sausages!
That is a disaster. I get bacon from Jim’s in Gland when I need a fix, I guess that won’t be possible any more.
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the document does not mention driving with one's own dog or dogs to UK and return, or the other way round.


For us as a family it will be a massive life changer if we can't go to UK with our dog (100% unsuitable for kennels) and if our daughter can't visit with her two.
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I hope this won't be too much of a headache for grumpygrapefruit, it seems he is now our sole hope for British cheese and bacon/sausages!
It probably will be:

"An important change applies for travellers carrying food in their luggage: the import of meat or of products containing meat, and the import of foods containing milk (cheese, etc.), will no longer be permitted in future."

OK, there will probably different rules for commercial import. Hopefully.

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the document does not mention driving with one's own dog or dogs to UK and return, or the other way round.


For us as a family it will be a massive life changer if we can't go to UK with our dog (100% unsuitable for kennels) and if our daughter can't visit with her two.
It does. Entry will only be possible via Basel, Geneva or Zurich airport. There's a tool where you can check what is applicable at the bottom of the page but it looks like it hasn't been updated yet, the announcement was only made today.

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Pet owners wishing to enter Switzerland from the United Kingdom with their animals are advised to consult the following link: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/pet-trav...e-after-brexit.
If you have any questions, please contact the UK authorities directly.

For any questions about entering the United Kingdom, please contact the UK authorities. For re-entry via the EU, please contact the relevant EU border inspection post for information about the requirements. The FSVO has no influence over any checks or decisions made by authorities outside Switzerland.
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Old 10.12.2020, 13:43
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the document does not mention driving with one's own dog or dogs to UK and return, or the other way round.
"Direct entry with dogs possible only via airports"

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Old 10.12.2020, 13:45
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the document does not mention driving with one's own dog or dogs to UK and return, or the other way round.


For us as a family it will be a massive life changer if we can't go to UK with our dog (100% unsuitable for kennels) and if our daughter can't visit with her two.
Blame the EU & CH signing the EU agreements.
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Old 10.12.2020, 13:51
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"Direct entry with dogs possible only via airports"

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I guess there's an argument that driving via EU countries is not direct entry; it's entry from the EU. But I'm clutching at straws
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just typed a long post, then it said "server busy" and I lost it all.

Short version;

PET TRAVEL

The UK are not changing their rules of entry for pets, so travelling to the UK remains unchanged.

The EU have no yet said if the UK will be a listed country for pet travel or not. Worst case scenario is that it won't be. In which case if you live in the EU/CH with your pet, you will only need to do one extra thing to travel with your pet from the UK > EU and that is have a rabies antibody test. If you have this test in the EU/CH before going to the UK then you have no need to do the 3 month wait time.

Once you've had the antibody test, there is no need to re-do it as long as vaccinations are kept up to date.

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It does. Entry will only be possible via Basel, Geneva or Zurich airport. There's a tool where you can check what is applicable at the bottom of the page but it looks like it hasn't been updated yet, the announcement was only made today.

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If you enter Switzerland overland via the EU, the border veterinary inspection is carried out on entry into the EU.
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Old 10.12.2020, 14:02
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UPDATE: AFTER MUCH SEARCHING OF MULTIPLE SOURCES I HAVE THIS SUSSED!

If you are resident in Switzerland or EU with a Swiss or EU pet passport;

1. The U.K. for once are not the ones making this hard. They are changing nothing for entering the U.K. They are accepting pet passports as before Brexit.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/pet-trav...1-january-2021

2. Worst case scenario, if the EU does not make the UK a listed country for pet travel, Your pet will need a titre test before travelling from the UK to EU. If living in the EU/CH, and the test is done here before going to the UK, there is no need for the 3 month wait after the test.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info...lling_en_6.pdf (Page 16, 5.1.2.3.)

3. As long as you keep your rabies vaccinations up to date, no gaps, then you only ever need one titre test. One lasts for life.

https://www.daera-ni.gov.uk/pet-trav...stions-answers

4. A Swiss pet passport is equal to an EU pet passport (source Pet Centre EuroTunnel).
I did a lot of research in a previous thread about this.
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The tool is still saying:


If you enter Switzerland overland via the EU, the border veterinary inspection is carried out on entry into the EU.
I'm not sure what you are seeing.... but I suspect you are reading for an animal coming into the country for the first time, without an EU/CH pet passport. If you are returning with your Swiss pet there really is no problem.

Read https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info...lling_en_6.pdf - Page 16, 5.1.2.3.

Non-commercial movements into the EU-27 of pets accompanying a pet owner resident in an EU-27 Member State and returning from the United Kingdom after a temporary movement to the United Kingdom.... (Note: CH passports treated equal to EU passports I asked Eurotunnel).

If the United Kingdom is not listed by the Commission The same conditions as set out in point 5.1.2.1. apply.
In addition, the pets must have a valid rabies antibody titration test in accordance with Annex IV to Regulation (EU) No 576/2013. The test must have been carried out in an approved laboratory.
- either before movement to the United Kingdom on a sample taken at least 30 days after vaccination and documented in the pet passport; or
- in the United Kingdom on a sample taken at least 30 days after vaccination and not less than three months before return to EU-27 Member States and documented in the animal health certificate issued by an official veterinarian in the United Kingdom based on supporting documentation from the laboratory.
Pets entering the EU-27 as of the withdrawal date will have to be presented to a designated travellers’ point of entry in order to undergo the necessary compliance checks.

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The tool is still saying:


If you enter Switzerland overland via the EU, the border veterinary inspection is carried out on entry into the EU.
Yes, I did say it probably hadn't been updated yet, not sure what you are getting at?

Since this all seems a bit ridiculous (suddenly requiring all animals coming from the UK to enter by air only), I sent a message to my mate who works for the Swiss customs department and is currently going batsh*t crazy with all the changes in time for proper Brexit. Not expecting an answer before the weekend though.
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I'm not sure what you are seeing.... but I suspect you are reading for an animal coming into the country for the first time, without an EU/CH pet passport. ....
This in the tool - living in CH, returning to CH after holiday:

https://www.blv.admin.ch/blv/en/home...frettchen.html

But you're right, I saw your post in the other thread and it's what I understood to be the case, and is also what the UK link that CH directs to suggests. So I'm confused, as the press release itself seems to be contradictory (sub-heading *direct* entry, body text "entry and re-entry" (implication: all)). "Direct" entry can logistically only be via airports, I'd have thought - overland by definition can't be direct.

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Yes, I did say it probably hadn't been updated yet, not sure what you are getting at?

Since this all seems a bit ridiculous (suddenly requiring all animals coming from the UK to enter by air only), I sent a message to my mate who works for the Swiss customs department and is currently going batsh*t crazy with all the changes in time for proper Brexit. Not expecting an answer before the weekend though.
You are taking this all wrong.

If you are bringing you pet directly into Switzerland from the UK (which is only possible by air) then you have to go into one of those designated airports.

IF you are going by road, Switzerland is not your first country of entry to the Schengen area.... so they don't deal with it. France if driving from UK, deal with entry.... then Switzerland treat you as entering with a pet from France.

I also had this confirmed by Swiss authorities... It's France's responsibility. Here is the email;

Hello

If you will be travelling by car you have to inform you in the first EU country you will be entering which import conditions do apply. You can continue to Switzerland with the same documents required to enter the EU.

Kind regards

Jakob Griessen
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Federal Department of Home Affairs FDHA
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Riiiight, got it. Well then they need to change the wording on the website unless they want to be flooded by requests from those who share my false interpretation!

Sorry to alarm folks. Should I edit my post with the wrong information just in case?
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That is a disaster. I get bacon from Jim’s in Gland when I need a fix, I guess that won’t be possible any more.

Could be worst you could be living in the UK over the new year and suffering from no Danish bacon next year !!
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Blame the EU & CH signing the EU agreements.
LOL!!! Someone else always has to be blamed, eh?

I think you'll find the blame here lies squarely with Brexit. Obviously.
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