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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 10.12.2020, 16:55
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From the Coronavirus thread "UK holidaymakers barred from EU after 1 January under Covid rules"
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From the Coronavirus thread "UK holidaymakers barred from EU after 1 January under Covid rules"
What's stopping them flying via Ireland? Which they have access to via the GFA
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Old 10.12.2020, 17:51
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These are Corona Virus restrictions, not as a direct result of Brexit. An exception enjoyed by EU/EEA is being removed because ... the UK will no longer be an EU Member.

You reap what you sew.
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Old 10.12.2020, 18:39
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These are Corona Virus restrictions, not as a direct result of Brexit. An exception enjoyed by EU/EEA is being removed because ... the UK will no longer be an EU Member.
You reap what you sew.
Suffice to say 'here's another fine mess you've got me into, Brexit !!'

Maybe TC, alias 'Top Cat' can save us ?
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Old 10.12.2020, 19:22
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

I've just received a reply from the BLV:

Besten Dank für Ihre Fragen und die Hinweise. Die Medienmitteilung gibt den Sachverhalt vereinfacht wieder und kann tatsächlich missverstanden werden. Die Schweiz wendet auch ab 1.1.2021 dieselben Einreisevorschriften wie die EU an. Grundsätzlich gilt:

Für die Einreise oder die Rückreise mit Heimtieren aus dem Vereinigten Königreich gelten ab. 1.1.2021 die Regeln für Drittstaaten. Die direkte Einreise auf dem Luftweg mit Hunden, Katzen und Frettchen ist nur noch über die Flughäfen in Genf, Zürich und Basel möglich. Die direkte Einreise auf dem Luftweg mit Vögeln ist nur über die Flughäfen Genf oder Zürich möglich. Bei einer Einreise auf dem Landweg via die EU erfolgt die Kontrolle beim Eintritt in die EU, d.h. zum Beispiel in Frankreich. Danach kann man mit den Tieren wie gewohnt in die Schweiz einreisen. Gemäss aktuellem Kenntnisstand wird das Vereinigte Königreich als risikoarmes Land bezüglich Tollwut eingestuft. Die aktuellen Informationen dazu finden sie auf folgenden Seiten:

Online-Hilfe Hunde, Katzen, Frettchen
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Ich hoffe, Ihnen mit diesen Angaben gedient zu haben. Für weitere Fragen stehen wir gerne zur Verfügung.

Thank you for your questions and comments. The press release presents the facts in a simplified way and can indeed be misunderstood. Switzerland will continue to apply the same entry regulations as the EU from 1.1.2021. Basically:

The rules for third countries will apply to entry or return with pets from the UK from 1.1.2021. Direct entry by air with dogs, cats and ferrets will only be possible via the airports in Geneva, Zurich and Basel. Direct entry by air with birds is only possible via the airports in Geneva or Zurich. In case of entry by land via the EU, the entry formalities will take place at the point of entry into the EU, i.e. for example in France. After that, you can enter Switzerland with the animals as usual. According to current knowledge, the United Kingdom is classified as a low-risk country with regard to rabies. You can find the current information on the following pages:

Online Help Dogs, Cats, Ferrets
Entry with birds

I hope this information helps. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.


In other words, the PR is rubbish.
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Old 11.12.2020, 00:21
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EU Press release today
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The Commission is therefore putting forward today four contingency measures to mitigate some of the significant disruptions that will occur on 1 January in case a deal with the UK is not yet in place:

Basic air connectivity: A proposal for a Regulation to ensure the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU for 6 months, provided the UK ensures the same.

Aviation safety: A proposal for a Regulation ensuring that various safety certificates for products can continue to be used in EU aircraft without disruption, thereby avoiding the grounding of EU aircraft.

Basic road connectivity: A proposal for a Regulation covering basic connectivity with regard to both road freight, and road passenger transport for 6 months, provided the UK assures the same to EU hauliers.

Fisheries: A proposal for a Regulation to create the appropriate legal framework until 31 December 2021, or until a fisheries agreement with the UK has been concluded – whichever date is earlier – for continued reciprocal access by EU and UK vessels to each other's waters after 31 December 2020. In order to guarantee the sustainability of fisheries and in light of the importance of fisheries for the economic livelihood of many communities, it is necessary to facilitate the procedures of authorisation of fishing vessels.
So, business as usual?
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So, business as usual?
Not exactly, I’d like to see a definition of ‘certain air services’.

Obviously this doesn’t automatically apply to Switzerland
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So, business as usual?
You can see why it winds the UK Government up though. its six months of air, six months of road, but - hold on - strangely 12 months of fishing rights.

They are being deliberately vindictive.

I really hope they get this sorted out. No Deal will have profound implications for the UK, its really not a good path at all.
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Old 11.12.2020, 09:35
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You can see why it winds the UK Government up though. its six months of air, six months of road, but - hold on - strangely 12 months of fishing rights.

They are being deliberately vindictive.

I really hope they get this sorted out. No Deal will have profound implications for the UK, its really not a good path at all.
Fishing has seasons.
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Fishing has seasons.
And lorries only drive for half the year ?
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Old 11.12.2020, 10:06
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Not exactly, I’d like to see a definition of ‘certain air services’.

Obviously this doesn’t automatically apply to Switzerland
That was fixed a long time ago.

December 17, 2018
Swiss Transport Minister Doris Leuthard and the British secretary of state for transport, Chris Grayling, have agreed to ensure air services continue to operate between the two countries after Brexit.
The document was signed in Zurich.
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What's stopping them flying via Ireland? Which they have access to via the GFA
Because the GFA does not give you travel rights. It in directly recognized that most people born on the island is an Irish citizen by birth, so no EU restrictions. Even the DUP advise people to apply for an Irish passport and their MPs have no problem signing passport applications. Indeed most have admitted they have an Irish passport tucked away in the wardrobe for such an occasion.

During lockdown, all county borders throughout the country are patrolled by the Garda (Police) and since the NI border is on county lines...
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And lorries only drive for half the year ?
Not a very good analogy ...
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They are being deliberately vindictive.
The political reality is that for EU politicians there is no votes in giving the UK a good deal by disadvantaging themselves. This inability of BREXITEERS to recognize this is beyond me. This idea that while they are willing to accept economic hardship for the sake of their dreams, the other side is not, is the stuff of kindergartners.
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Obviously this doesn’t automatically apply to Switzerland

Not a problem for Switzerland, IIRC aviation has already been agreed between UK and CH
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Not a very good analogy ...
why ?
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The political reality is that for EU politicians there is no votes in giving the UK a good deal by disadvantaging themselves. This inability of BREXITEERS to recognize this is beyond me. This idea that while they are willing to accept economic hardship for the sake of their dreams, the other side is not, is the stuff of kindergartners.
Which is a pity because everyone will lose out, the EU and the UK. they need to come to an agreement so its better for both sides.
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If any of them say once more 'we will have an Australian style Deal' when they know full well it means diddlysquat- or translates as NO Deal on WTO terms- I shall explode.


But we all know that ERG never wanted a Deal, that they have held Johnson's strings from the start, and we all know why.
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For me Johnson is an amoral chancer with no vision or eye for detail so how can his negotiators and MPs act on his orders?
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