The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[bowlie]

The British were the real anti government aid drivers when they were in the EU. They did a lot to establish that ‘level playing field’.

I really don’t see what the issue is. At very least they could commit to consultations before implementing any policy that would affect trade with the free market.

It’s not school I hate, It’s the principle of the thing.

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	TobiasM
	Oh dear oh dear, to all those saying I live in Switzerland so it won’t affect me... https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politic...om-uk/46216098

Still doesn't affect me!

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Just spat my tea- or the irony, about fish... From the Times ''Brexiteers have long hailed the “sea of opportunity” that awaits British fishermen and women after the UK leaves the EU — but now it has emerged that their boats will be monitored by a French company. The business that won the tender to track UK fishing vessels wherever they operate, as well as foreign-licensed boats in British waters, is Collecte Localisation Satellites (CLS), a French maritime surveillance provider. The contract was awarded by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) in late summer having previously been held by a British firm,

I don't really see the irony. Nothing about brexit precludes buying French goods or services. If the French can do a better job at a better price then no issues.

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	It just demonstrates how in experienced the entire team are. They keep boxing themselves in to a corner and don’t seem to learn from their mistakes. They keep drawing red lines that they are forced to ignore and have now talked themselves in to a situation where it’s either a big clime down, a poor deal or no deal. They have gone from great deals to talking about survival for heaven’s sake. Just a big joke now. You just don’t get it. We do about the same trade with Belgium as the UK, the new RoRos, the French port upgrades and the national grid hook up to France, makes us more independent than before. There is every chance we’ll get a united Ireland much earlier than expected... note there is a new phrase in the DUP vocabulary - all island solutions. We’ll take a hit, but have reduced national debt from 124% to 58%, being a net exporter for over thirty years and having lots of allies, we’re in good shape to take a it. Why is it that BREXITEERS always think that they are the only ones will to but principles ahead of economics? another big mistake. So, no deal with the EU, no deal with the US, Canada/Japan deals depend on EU deal, no support to adjust WTO trade schedules and bonus - an additional 27 objectors.... Like I said just a joke now.

Ireland has been a great success story - but one of main reasons for that 124% to 58% is that Ireland's gdp is artificially high due to the Amazons et al. In my experience London salary more or less equals Dublin, both of which are c. 60% of CH.

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	Still doesn't affect me!

What, you carry less than "20kg of fish, 2kg of honey and 125g of caviar per person"?

Weird.

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	What, you carry less than "20kg of fish, 2kg of honey and 125g of caviar per person"? Weird.

Oh damm it - is that all the caviar you can bring?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	It may be their de jure right, but is it an appropriate way to behave? Luckily the EU have been pretty clear that this will not happen. It's a threat too far. It's one step off war.

It's not just what they do in their own country, if the EU were to grant them unrestricted access to the single market, it would mean that and goods imported into the UK could automatically circulate within the EU.... That is the whole point of having the customs border in the Irish Sea as well.


The trade agreements between the EU, Canada and Japan all have clauses allowing either party to veto any trade agreements the other party makes with third countries for the same reason. And it's why the UK/Japan agreement is subject to a UK/EU agreement as well.


No country or trading block is going to allow the UK an unfair advantage in their market and the sooner the BREXITEERS realise this the sooner progress and be made.

[newtoswitz]

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	Still doesn't affect me!

I still don't get the animal import thing - are there any other airports with direct flights to the UK?

I guess this only affects private planes, which isn't exactly a big impact. Anyone with something big enough to fly direct UK to CH could probably send their pet overland with their butler.

[marton]

	Quote:	Harness
	I was wrong. Talks have been extended.

No surprise, they have been kicking this can down the road for years; no doubt until 23:59.59 on 31 Dec 2020.

[marton]

	Quote:	newtoswitz
	I still don't get the animal import thing - are there any other airports with direct flights to the UK? I guess this only affects private planes, which isn't exactly a big impact. Anyone with something big enough to fly direct UK to CH could probably send their pet overland with their butler.

Private planes are not allowed to import animals, only schedule flights.

[eng_ch]

	Quote:	newtoswitz
	I still don't get the animal import thing - are there any other airports with direct flights to the UK?

There used to be a Southampton-Bern route in the winter with FlyBe (guess that doesn't exist any more). But I think the pet transport bit of the press release was a lot of noise about nothing very much.

[John William]

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	Fish is a proxy. It's the level playing field that matters.

But surely as the Duke of Wellington famously said, 'this can only be achieved on the playing fields of Eton'.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	It just demonstrates how in experienced the entire team are. They keep boxing themselves in to a corner and don’t seem to learn from their mistakes. They keep drawing red lines that they are forced to ignore and have now talked themselves in to a situation where it’s either a big clime down, a poor deal or no deal. They have gone from great deals to talking about survival for heaven’s sake. Just a big joke now. You just don’t get it. We do about the same trade with Belgium as the UK, the new RoRos, the French port upgrades and the national grid hook up to France, makes us more independent than before. There is every chance we’ll get a united Ireland much earlier than expected... note there is a new phrase in the DUP vocabulary - all island solutions. We’ll take a hit, but have reduced national debt from 124% to 58%, being a net exporter for over thirty years and having lots of allies, we’re in good shape to take a it. Why is it that BREXITEERS always think that they are the only ones will to but principles ahead of economics? another big mistake. So, no deal with the EU, no deal with the US, Canada/Japan deals depend on EU deal, no support to adjust WTO trade schedules and bonus - an additional 27 objectors.... Like I said just a joke now.

You should rather listen to what your foreign minister Simon Coveney has said about what a no deal Brexit really means for Ireland. What you’ve described is a long way off what he is saying. Ireland is about to be part of a trading part of a free trade bloc that it could only reach by sea or air.

[newtoswitz]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	You should rather listen to what your foreign minister Simon Coveney has said about what a no deal Brexit really means for Ireland. What you’ve described is a long way off what he is saying. Ireland is about to be part of a trading part of a free trade bloc that it could only reach by sea or air.

While this is true, I don't think Northern Ireland is much of a trading partner, and beyond that the links are still be sea and air at present.

The big difference is that direct Ireland - EU links don't really exist, the shortest route was via the UK, even with a two ferries or a ferry and the tunnel.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	newtoswitz
	While this is true, I don't think Northern Ireland is much of a trading partner, and beyond that the links are still be sea and air at present. The big difference is that direct Ireland - EU links don't really exist, the shortest route was via the UK, even with a two ferries or a ferry and the tunnel.

The point is that in many different ways, Ireland is more exposed to a no deal Brexit than the likes of France or Germany by several factors. This is the fundamental problem of the EU, they negotiate as a 27-member team, whilst they will have listened to Irish concerns, there are also 27 national objectives to consider, not all of which are aligned to Ireland.

Boris Johnson was able to talk bilaterally with Leo Varadkar a little over a year ago in order to the Withdrawal Agreement over the line, when he tried the same thing again the move was rejected.

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	The point is that in many different ways, Ireland is more exposed to a no deal Brexit than the likes of France or Germany by several factors. This is the fundamental problem of the EU, they negotiate as a 27-member team, whilst they will have listened to Irish concerns, there are also 27 national objectives to consider, not all of which are aligned to Ireland. Boris Johnson was able to talk bilaterally with Leo Varadkar a little over a year ago in order to the Withdrawal Agreement over the line, when he tried the same thing again the move was rejected.

To be fair - at the time that was significantly due to the Irish border issue, which although of interest to the EU, is clearly of special importance to the Republic of Ireland.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	To be fair - at the time that was significantly due to the Irish border issue, which although of interest to the EU, is clearly of special importance to the Republic of Ireland.

It is a similar story in that Boris Johnson has been trying to contact those countries most exposed to a no deal Brexit. Whilst they're not receiving his calls there are reports that the Taoiseach is in contact with him by text message. Almost farcical!

At least it sounds like both sides are coming together for a deal to be agreed later on this week. If only Brexit had just meant signing up to the EFTA (my preferred option) then all of this could have been avoided.

[Talk to you later]

A dumb question maybe regarding British territorial waters, why does EU think they have right to fish there? Why not just buy the fish from UK if they want it so badly? Another option, UK rents them some fishing quota for cash?

[JackieH]

why do you think the British fleet fishes mostly in EU and non EU waters- and massively around Iceland?

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	JackieH
	why do you think the British fleet fishes mostly in EU and non EU waters- and massively around Iceland?

This isn't true.

https://marinedevelopments.blog.gov....tics-2017-eez/