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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 14.12.2020, 12:36
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why do you think the British fleet fishes mostly in EU and non EU waters- and massively around Iceland?

I don't know but my solution would apply in the other direction too. EU's territorial water should not be free for us either. Internation waters obviously would be free for all (well apart from the fact that overfishing is decimating marine life).
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why do you think the British fleet fishes mostly in EU and non EU waters- and massively around Iceland?
At a guess, partially because the type of fish they specialise in catching lives there and partially because so much of the UK waters are given over to others for fishing.

Ultimately, fishing is not a serious issue. For the life of me, I can't understand why the solution is not that each country has its own waters that it is free to sell access too as it sees fit. I'm sure there's permits that UK would buy from Iceland, Norway et al, and those that we'd sell to others too.
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Old 14.12.2020, 14:04
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why do you think the British fleet fishes mostly in EU and non EU waters- and massively around Iceland?
They don't.

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Old 14.12.2020, 14:42
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EU have listed the UK for pet travel (list 2) http://apha.defra.gov.uk/documents/o...-Note-3920.pdf

I believe this means, UK dogs need a health certificate, and EU/CH dogs can travel as they do now. No titre tests required!!
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So Barnier has said that "if the UK compromise on fish", there will be a deal.

Given that fish is a ludicrously small industry (several times smaller than Games workshop - who make Warhammer toys) - it would be ridiculous for talks to now fail.

Subject to the above proceeding as I suspect, are we going to see any contrition from JackieH, who said something along the lines of "the ERG put Boris in to get no deal", and said that I was "naive" for arguing otherwise - despite being on close terms to 4 or 5 members of that group and having previously stood for the Conservative Party, been the chairman for a cabinet minster etc. etc.

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Old 14.12.2020, 16:46
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So Barnier has said that "if the UK compromise on fish", there will be a deal.

Given that fish is a ludicrously small industry (several times smaller than Games workshop - who make Warhammer toys) - it would be ridiculous for talks to now fail.

Subject to the above proceeding as I suspect, are we going to see any contrition from JackieH, who said something along the lines of "the ERG put Boris in to get no deal", and said that I was "naive" for arguing otherwise - despite being on close terms to 4 or 5 members of that group and having previously stood for the Conservative Party, been the chairman for a cabinet minster etc. etc.

(Jackie - if you are reading I think you are awesome - just that you are wrong about the above!)
You are right however problem with fishing is that it is such a politically charged issue. The SNP are just waiting to pounce if fishing is sold out as fishing is one of the big Brexit benefits for Scotland. It also sends out the wrong message if, for example, it looks as if the UK is selling out fishing for big corporations or banks in London.
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You are right however problem with fishing is that it is such a politically charged issue. The SNP are just waiting to pounce if fishing is sold out as fishing is one of the big Brexit benefits for Scotland. It also sends out the wrong message if, for example, it looks as if the UK is selling out fishing for big corporations or banks in London.
Surely the answer is increased % share for the UK (and increasing over time), but some for the EU still so everyone can claim a victory. Nobody cares about the actual economics of the matter.

Alternatively, the UK could pay foreign fishermen off.

Whatever the result - both the UK and EU are far too serious to let something like fish get in the way of a mutually beneficial arrangement.
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Old 14.12.2020, 17:07
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Surely the answer is increased % share for the UK (and increasing over time), but some for the EU still so everyone can claim a victory. Nobody cares about the actual economics of the matter.

Alternatively, the UK could pay foreign fishermen off.

Whatever the result - both the UK and EU are far too serious to let something like fish get in the way of a mutually beneficial arrangement.
I think the phased approach is best, in the beginning the UK hasn't the infrastructure to benefit from the re-found fish wealth, whilst at the same time, one day will need to have a market for all that fish!
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Old 14.12.2020, 17:42
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The UK arts industry is worth more than the fishing industry. If ballerinas can be encouraged to go into "Cyber", why not trawlermen?

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-54553828
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Old 14.12.2020, 17:45
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A dumb question maybe regarding British territorial waters, why does EU think they have right to fish there? Why not just buy the fish from UK if they want it so badly? Another option, UK rents them some fishing quota for cash?
Before Brexit, they were EU territorial waters.
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Old 14.12.2020, 17:51
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Before Brexit, they were EU territorial waters.

Yes, but Brexit has happened/is happening, so they should be British territorial waters once again.
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I think the phased approach is best, in the beginning the UK hasn't the infrastructure to benefit from the re-found fish wealth, whilst at the same time, one day will need to have a market for all that fish!
Exactly, run it down over 10 years.
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Yes, but Brexit has happened/is happening, so they should be British territorial waters once again.

Well OK, let's agree with this- as long as ti goes both ways.

But is it really worth it at the cost of the much much larger agricultural sector, what little remaining industry we have, the totality of our Financial Services, and so so much more - really? It is just a smokescreen to raise the necessary Nationalism (for No Deal to be accepted- despite being always promised a great Deal, with easiest Deal, an oven ready Deal, and on, and on ... and please, no one come up with that old rubbish that the oven ready was about the WA!)
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Yes, but Brexit has happened/is happening, so they should be British territorial waters once again.
I suspect the EU member states would have never agreed to the 200-mile EEZ in the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea in 1982 if the UK hadn't been part of the EEC at the time.

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You are right however problem with fishing is that it is such a politically charged issue. The SNP are just waiting to pounce if fishing is sold out as fishing is one of the big Brexit benefits for Scotland. It also sends out the wrong message if, for example, it looks as if the UK is selling out fishing for big corporations or banks in London.
But the banks are getting zero benefits from the EU at the moment. The EU negotiators have masterly played out the UK. They have managed to keep the all the focus on the drama of fishing, whilst there has been absolutely zero talk about granting the UK financial services free access to the EU.
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So Barnier has said that "if the UK compromise on fish", there will be a deal.

Given that fish is a ludicrously small industry (several times smaller than Games workshop - who make Warhammer toys) - it would be ridiculous for talks to now fail.
So you're saying this whole thing is little more than a tabletop fantasy game?
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Anyone ever wonder why Canada has a fisheries agreement with the EU?

Well with an agreement Canada can control their fishing areas, without an agreement it would be raping and pillaging by the mega-fishing fleets.
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So Barnier has said that "if the UK compromise on fish", there will be a deal.

Given that fish is a ludicrously small industry (several times smaller than Games workshop - who make Warhammer toys) - it would be ridiculous for talks to now fail.

Subject to the above proceeding as I suspect, are we going to see any contrition from JackieH, who said something along the lines of "the ERG put Boris in to get no deal", and said that I was "naive" for arguing otherwise - despite being on close terms to 4 or 5 members of that group and having previously stood for the Conservative Party, been the chairman for a cabinet minster etc. etc.

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Awesome Jackie it is then
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Awesome Jackie it is then
I don't think Jackie is her real name!
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I don't think Jackie is her real name!
Indeed & was known as awesome Oxxxx in her previous incarnation
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