Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #28341  
Old 15.12.2020, 14:32
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Poland
Posts: 13
Groaned at 20 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 16 Times in 9 Posts
arielch has slipped a little
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Depends on how you see it


Britain did declare war but essentially did not do much after that


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War
Lets be fair,they did some,for example,they run away at Dunkirk,and let the French to mend for themselves....
Reply With Quote
  #28342  
Old 15.12.2020, 14:36
Talk to you later's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: ZH
Posts: 934
Groaned at 43 Times in 22 Posts
Thanked 1,702 Times in 646 Posts
Talk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond reputeTalk to you later has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Who won? Michael wants to know

Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Talk to you later for this useful post:
  #28343  
Old 15.12.2020, 14:37
TonyClifton's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Hopefully soon to be Aargau
Posts: 1,001
Groaned at 412 Times in 244 Posts
Thanked 2,393 Times in 1,138 Posts
TonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
So you are now blaming the UK for the Magenot line and failing to protect the Ardennes from Blitzkrieg.

That's historical revisionism....

The French scouts actually spotted the Germans making their way through the forest very slowly, causing huge congestion, completely vulnerable to arial assault. The French General (forget which one), ignored his own scouts because he believed the Ardennes was impassible. If he'd bombed the hell out of the Germans the war probably would have been over much, much quicker.

So the Germans pincer movement was 100% the fault of the French, not the British expeditionary army.
I wouldn't bother to engage with arielch anymore, I'd be interested to know what they teach in the schools in Poland!
Reply With Quote
This user groans at TonyClifton for this post:
  #28344  
Old 15.12.2020, 14:37
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 78
Groaned at 5 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 92 Times in 44 Posts
henk has earned some respecthenk has earned some respect
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

"I never get this argument, the whole of Europe has seen rising inequality aggravated by poor growth since 2008 (the UK actually being the exception). This harms the common people most. Almost the entire establishment backed Remain both at home and abroad, the Tory government at the time, the CBI, IMF etc.
"


Well, the rest (EU) don't have your elecroral district system, we have proportional representation, look it up, it also means you don't lose votes
Also we do not have a segregated upper class that essentially runs the country by networking starting in Eton etc.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank henk for this useful post:
  #28345  
Old 15.12.2020, 14:40
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Poland
Posts: 13
Groaned at 20 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 16 Times in 9 Posts
arielch has slipped a little
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
I wouldn't bother to engage with arielch anymore, I'd be interested to know what they teach in the schools in Poland!

Dont know,I didnt grew here,im not a Pole,just a polish citizen.
But if you want,I can ask.
Reply With Quote
  #28346  
Old 15.12.2020, 14:48
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Frick, Aargau
Posts: 1,533
Groaned at 33 Times in 28 Posts
Thanked 2,084 Times in 1,040 Posts
HickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Somebody mentioned the "valiant" exploits of UK in ww2,and I gave him a dose of reality.
Given the number of people who died defending continental Europe, that's a pretty chillingly offensive statement.
Reply With Quote
  #28347  
Old 15.12.2020, 14:49
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Frick, Aargau
Posts: 1,533
Groaned at 33 Times in 28 Posts
Thanked 2,084 Times in 1,040 Posts
HickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
"I never get this argument, the whole of Europe has seen rising inequality aggravated by poor growth since 2008 (the UK actually being the exception). This harms the common people most. Almost the entire establishment backed Remain both at home and abroad, the Tory government at the time, the CBI, IMF etc.
"


Well, the rest (EU) don't have your elecroral district system, we have proportional representation, look it up, it also means you don't lose votes
Also we do not have a segregated upper class that essentially runs the country by networking starting in Eton etc.
FYI - 11 out of 650 MPs went to Eton.

FYI number 2 - we don't need to "look up" PR.

By all means you can be against Brexit, against Boris Johnson or whatever. But calling the UK full of stupid ignorant people is just racism.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank HickvonFrick for this useful post:
  #28348  
Old 15.12.2020, 14:50
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Vaud
Posts: 2,444
Groaned at 172 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 4,863 Times in 1,878 Posts
Mikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
"I never get this argument, the whole of Europe has seen rising inequality aggravated by poor growth since 2008 (the UK actually being the exception). This harms the common people most. Almost the entire establishment backed Remain both at home and abroad, the Tory government at the time, the CBI, IMF etc.
"


Well, the rest (EU) don't have your elecroral district system, we have proportional representation, look it up, it also means you don't lose votes
Also we do not have a segregated upper class that essentially runs the country by networking starting in Eton etc.
I think most developed countries have upper classes that stamp on poor people. You can pick any country where rich tycoons earn billions and poor people are on below the minimum wage, its not unique to the UK. Of course its a terrible thing, but I think its a common problem across society from capitalism (and human greed) not "something about britain".

What annoys me is that negotiating the exit from a club you have been a member of for a long time is difficult at best, what it needs is a positive approach from both sides. Having a vindictive view that you intentionally want to hurt a country because you despise it pollutes the process. Its like having a non neutral juror at a trial - even if they are against the person accused of murder, its not good, because its no longer a fair trial.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Mikers for this useful post:
This user groans at Mikers for this post:
  #28349  
Old 15.12.2020, 14:53
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Poland
Posts: 13
Groaned at 20 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 16 Times in 9 Posts
arielch has slipped a little
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Given the number of people who died defending continental Europe, that's a pretty chillingly offensive statement.

Really?The Soviet Union lost 26 millon souls,Poland,dont know how many millions,how many did the UK lost?And how many of those died fighting to keep your empire?
Reply With Quote
  #28350  
Old 15.12.2020, 14:55
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Frick, Aargau
Posts: 1,533
Groaned at 33 Times in 28 Posts
Thanked 2,084 Times in 1,040 Posts
HickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Lets be fair,they did some,for example,they run away at Dunkirk,and let the French to mend for themselves....
Ok now thats just xenophobia - I have reported.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank HickvonFrick for this useful post:
  #28351  
Old 15.12.2020, 14:56
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 78
Groaned at 5 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 92 Times in 44 Posts
henk has earned some respecthenk has earned some respect
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

hickfromkick or kickfromhick you are pretty condescending again, that's what i meant in my earlier post
designating someone as a troll when they do not share your beliefs
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank henk for this useful post:
  #28352  
Old 15.12.2020, 14:58
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Frick, Aargau
Posts: 1,533
Groaned at 33 Times in 28 Posts
Thanked 2,084 Times in 1,040 Posts
HickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
hickfromkick or kickfromhick you are pretty condescending again, that's what i meant in my earlier post
designating someone as a troll when they do not share your beliefs
OK maybe you aren't - but the other person most definitely is.

I do think you crossed a line though. That's not being condescening. I'm not accusing you of being stupid, I'm accusing you of rudeness to the point of offence. I have removed my groans on your posts as a peace offering though and will drop it.
Reply With Quote
  #28353  
Old 15.12.2020, 14:59
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Poland
Posts: 13
Groaned at 20 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 16 Times in 9 Posts
arielch has slipped a little
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Ok now thats just xenophobia - I have reported.



Really?An historical truth is xenofobhia now?
Reply With Quote
  #28354  
Old 15.12.2020, 15:01
TonyClifton's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Hopefully soon to be Aargau
Posts: 1,001
Groaned at 412 Times in 244 Posts
Thanked 2,393 Times in 1,138 Posts
TonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Really?The Soviet Union lost 26 millon souls,Poland,dont know how many millions,how many did the UK lost?And how many of those died fighting to keep your empire?
The UK broke herself defending Europe from the clutches of Nazi Germany. Half a million dead, two million homes destroyed in the south east alone, lost her place in the global world order as well as her Empire, food rationing until 1954, honouring war debts that were only paid off in 2006 (for comparison Germany had hers written off in 1953), post war taxes that were three times as high as pre-war, massive inflation etc.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank TonyClifton for this useful post:
  #28355  
Old 15.12.2020, 15:03
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 78
Groaned at 5 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 92 Times in 44 Posts
henk has earned some respecthenk has earned some respect
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

" I'm accusing you of rudeness"


don't understand , you say i am a troll and I am rude ?


Please expand
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank henk for this useful post:
  #28356  
Old 15.12.2020, 15:03
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: In your head
Posts: 266
Groaned at 29 Times in 26 Posts
Thanked 881 Times in 313 Posts
RufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
The UK broke herself defending Europe from the clutches of Nazi Germany. Half a million dead, two million homes destroyed in the south east alone, lost her place in the global world order as well as her Empire, food rationing until 1954, honouring war debts that were only paid off in 2006 (for comparison Germany had hers written off in 1953), post war taxes that were three times as high as pre-war, massive inflation etc.
More than half a million. 74k a month it its height, I believe.
Reply With Quote
  #28357  
Old 15.12.2020, 15:04
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Poland
Posts: 13
Groaned at 20 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 16 Times in 9 Posts
arielch has slipped a little
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
The UK broke herself defending Europe from the clutches of Nazi Germany. Half a million dead, two million homes destroyed in the south east alone, lost her place in the global world order as well as her Empire, food rationing until 1954, honouring war debts that were only paid off in 2006 (for comparison Germany had hers written off in 1953), post war taxes that were three times as high as pre-war, massive inflation etc.



Wrong,the UK,broke themselves by being cozy with Hitler from 1933 to 1939,and reaping what they sowed after 1939 for that,and also,by fights to hold their illegitimate Empire.
Reply With Quote
This user groans at arielch for this post:
  #28358  
Old 15.12.2020, 15:04
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 78
Groaned at 5 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 92 Times in 44 Posts
henk has earned some respecthenk has earned some respect
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

OK, same here
Reply With Quote
  #28359  
Old 15.12.2020, 15:04
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Frick, Aargau
Posts: 1,533
Groaned at 33 Times in 28 Posts
Thanked 2,084 Times in 1,040 Posts
HickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
" I'm accusing you of rudeness"

don't understand , you say i am a troll and I am rude ?

Please expand
I've removed referring you to a troll as that was unfair - I was angered by the other poster and lashed out also to you. For that I apologize.

I do think you should temper your Brexit comments a little. There is no problem being against and expressing your opinion - but you have more or less called people from my home town stupid and naive - which is hurtful. You can be against their POV without making (barely veiled) ad hominen attacks. As you have been reading the UK news a lot you will see there have been a lot of comments from Londoners to Northerners calling them backwards and stupid which I had to put up with for years - and its (marginally) even more offensive coming from someone outside the UK.

Its a sensitive topic that should be debated on its own merits, not the merits of the supporters on either side. For instance, I don't like Donald Trump much - but I don't want to call his supporters stupid. Many knew what they were voting for - and didn't actually like him personally. I think its reasonable to act with a bit of care before casting sweeping judgements about large sections of a country / area thereof, particularly (but not only) if its not your own country.

Largely in my experience - northerners actually understand the arguments on both sides. They aren't stupid.

Last edited by HickvonFrick; 15.12.2020 at 15:17.
Reply With Quote
  #28360  
Old 15.12.2020, 15:06
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: In your head
Posts: 266
Groaned at 29 Times in 26 Posts
Thanked 881 Times in 313 Posts
RufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond reputeRufusB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Wrong,the UK,broke themselves by being cozy with Hitler from 1933 to 1939,and reaping what they sowed after 1939 for that,and also,by fights to hold their illegitimate Empire.
You mean Mosely et al?

Now you are just being provocative for the sake of it.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
europe




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 13 (0 members and 13 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Latest Referendum, what will be consequences for EU (C permit and B permit) holders? expat2014 Permits/visas/government 3 11.02.2014 08:59
Importing vehicles and the VAT consequences in Switzerland from France BEFO Finance/banking/taxation 6 07.08.2013 15:11
The (Available in CH) Dog Food Review Thread meloncollie Pet corner 44 08.05.2012 20:15
Common-law marriage and consequences in CH Mishto Family matters/health 9 01.10.2011 22:03
Something for the Brits: M&S in CH mark Daily life 11 15.11.2007 12:18


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 22:02.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0