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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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The UK broke herself defending Europe from the clutches of Nazi Germany. Half a million dead, two million homes destroyed in the south east alone, lost her place in the global world order as well as her Empire, food rationing until 1954, honouring war debts that were only paid off in 2006 (for comparison Germany had hers written off in 1953), post war taxes that were three times as high as pre-war, massive inflation etc.

Half a million?The soviet union lost 26 millions,including a big part of the country,completely destroyed.Poland lost around 6 million,with 3 million of them being Jewish,jews who could have been saved if the Uk would have let them enter the land that is rightfully ours.BTW,another pact perfidius albion broke.
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"I think most developed countries have upper classes that stamp on poor people. You can pick any country where rich tycoons earn billions and poor people are on below the minimum wage, its not unique to the UK. Of course its a terrible thing, but I think its a common problem across society from capitalism (and human greed) not "something about britain".

What annoys me is that negotiating the exit from a club you have been a member of for a long time is difficult at best, what it needs is a positive approach from both sides. Having a vindictive view that you intentionally want to hurt a country because you despise it pollutes the process. Its like having a non neutral juror at a trial - even if they are against the person accused of murder, its not good, because its no longer a fair trial."


The UK has an institutionalized segregated upper class


The UK wanted to leave but keep the EU Market access, that is just not going to happen......
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You mean Mosely et al?

Now you are just being provocative for the sake of it.



The UK governments had no problem with Hitler until september 1939...
You can see Chamberlain waving the paper in the airport after having screwed Checoslovakia (another country screwed by the UK )
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"I think most developed countries have upper classes that stamp on poor people. You can pick any country where rich tycoons earn billions and poor people are on below the minimum wage, its not unique to the UK. Of course its a terrible thing, but I think its a common problem across society from capitalism (and human greed) not "something about britain".

What annoys me is that negotiating the exit from a club you have been a member of for a long time is difficult at best, what it needs is a positive approach from both sides. Having a vindictive view that you intentionally want to hurt a country because you despise it pollutes the process. Its like having a non neutral juror at a trial - even if they are against the person accused of murder, its not good, because its no longer a fair trial."


The UK has an institutionalized segregated upper class


The UK wanted to leave but keep the EU Market access, that is just not going to happen......



Now that we got rid of them,the EU,has to move to closer integration.
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Now that we got rid of them,the EU,has to move to closer integration.
Another reason to never join!

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Another reason to never join!

Tom

Actually Switzerland,is not de jure,but de facto a member.I think in the future,they will join.
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The UK has an institutionalized segregated upper class


The UK wanted to leave but keep the EU Market access, that is just not going to happen......
Oh no it doesn't.
Oh yes it does.
Oh no it doesn't.
etc etc

for the other point, when you say "it's not going to happpen", what is the economic reasoning behind that ? If it doesn't make financial sense, then it has some merit. If it is simply spite because you dislike the UK, thats a frustrating negotiating position.
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Currently over 4,000,000 EU nationals have applied for the EU settlement scheme to stay in the UK, including over 750,000 Poles.

Not bad for a country that's apparently finished.
and there are people putting their life on the line and fleeing the EU paradise for British hell by ramshackle boat ... every day.

Even though back in the day the EU was predicting, come Brexit, it would be the other way round.
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"Another reason to never join!"


we are all entitled to our own opinions, but i do agree that the EU is better off without England, as Scotland, Wales will soon realize the need for independence and Ireland will be re-united, for this we thank Mr.Johnson , Jacob et all
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The UK governments had no problem with Hitler until september 1939...
You can see Chamberlain waving the paper in the airport after having screwed Checoslovakia (another country screwed by the UK )
When it comes to what happened to Checoslovakia (sic) in 1938, Poland has no leg to stand on as they were also party to the unlawful carve-up of said country.

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"Another reason to never join!"


we are all entitled to our own opinions, but i do agree that the EU is better off without England, as Scotland, Wales will soon realize the need for independence and Ireland will be re-united, for this we thank Mr.Johnson , Jacob et all
You do realize that Wales voted for Brexit and gives derisory amount of support to its nationalist party (at least outside of the sparsely populated welsh speaking areas in West Wales)?

There is a term for an irrational hatred of a country...

Why do you hate England so much and like Wales? Unlike many countries (think Spain and Catalonia), the UK actually gave the option to the Scottish people to decide their own future. Rightfully the second vote was stopped for now on democratic grounds (if YES won, there would not have a second vote would there...). Doubtless Scotland will get another vote in a few years if it wishes.

Likewise, the GFA specifies that Northern Irish people have the right to choose their own future - demographically it is getting more catholic and so will probably eventually move over. It's a difficult and sad situation, and an ultimate peaceful handover would put both Eire and the UK in a good light.
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anyway, we should probably all go to the pub and have a pint and kick each others heads in (figuratively speaking)
Just think of the lockdown in Ireland with all pubs closed, now that shite....
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"Why do you hate England so much and like Wales?"


Sorry, i don't hate England , i just lived in the republic of Ireland for 10 years
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You do realize that Wales voted for Brexit and gives derisory amount of support to its nationalist party (at least outside of the sparsely populated welsh speaking areas in West Wales)?

Why do you hate England so much and like Wales?

There is a term for an irrational hatred of a country...
I also think the SNP only did so well in Scotland because neither Boris nor Corbyn nor the LibDems were palatable at the last election.
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Likewise, the GFA specifies that Northern Irish people have the right to choose their own future - demographically it is getting more catholic
more atheist/agnostic actually ...

even the press has long ago stopped trying to speak of differences in religious terms but instead uses terms such as loyalist and republican.
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When it comes to what happened to Checoslovakia (sic) in 1938, Poland has no leg to stand on as they were also party to the unlawful carve-up of said country.

My dear,Im a jew,I have no love lost for Poland,whatever bad thing you can say about the country,i can say much worse,you dont hurt me by talking bad about Poland,for me,its just an EU passport.
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"Why do you hate England so much and like Wales?"


Sorry, i don't hate England , i just lived in the republic of Ireland for 10 years
I love Ireland too (I'm 1/2 Irish by descent) - and its totally true that the UK totally screwed Ireland over in the past. But nobody responsible for the famine etc. is still alive.

NI is a difficult and horrible situation with a deeply divided population and frankly both countries are doing their best. Really it neither resembles ROI nor UK. Yes, Brexit probably is not helping, but everything is staying more or less peaceful and that's all that matters. Really even more than which country it is in.

It's irrational that living in the Republic would make you dislike England. It's like me moving to the Netherlands and hating Germany.
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I love Ireland too (I'm 1/2 Irish by descent) - and its totally true that the UK totally screwed Ireland over in the past. But nobody responsible for the famine etc. is still alive.

NI is a difficult and horrible situation with a deeply divided population and frankly both countries are doing their best. Really it neither resembles ROI nor UK. Yes, Brexit probably is not helping, but everything is staying more or less peaceful and that's all that matters. Really even more than which country it is in.

It's irrational that living in the Republic would make you hate the UK. It's like me moving to the Netherlands and hating Germany.
Ask the average Irish what they think of UK......
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Ask the average Irish what they think of UK......
I think you'd get a nuanced answer that recognizes historical injustices but also a degree of commonness of culture and opportunity Irish people found in the UK (Ireland might be doing really well now, but it was extremely poor a few decades ago).

Ireland has made its own mistakes - look at how it treated people who joined the UK army in WW2 wanting to fight Herr Hitler. All countries have good and bad in their history.
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I think you'd get a nuanced answer that recognizes historical injustices but also a degree of commonness of culture and opportunity Irish people found in the UK (Ireland might be doing really well now, but it was extremely poor a few decades ago).



Really?Usually I heard f....g britons......mother fu.....s and variations of the sort.No country is perfect,all are imperfect,but some are evil,and some are not.

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