The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	marton
	I wonder how much is left of the Brexit that voters expected?

There's always £350 million per week for the NHS.

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	marton
	LOL! I can just see those people in Council towers blocks switching agriculture production from Marijuana to potatoes

As an ex-council tower block resident this made me giggle.

[TonyClifton]

All transit links between UK and France to be lifted at midnight, turns out this was a whole fuss over nothing. I guess the EU finally realised that 80% of those lorries stuck at Dover are EU lorries with EU drivers, the result of a £100 billion trade deficit in goods.

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	All transit links between UK and France to be lifted at midnight, turns out this was a whole fuss over nothing. I guess the EU finally realised that 80% of those lorries stuck at Dover are EU lorries with EU drivers, the result of a £100 billion trade deficit in goods.

Hardly. It’s still only for essential travel and you need a negative Covid test (where the lorry drivers will get those while stuck on motorway who knows!)

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	Hardly. It’s still only for essential travel and you need a negative Covid test (where the lorry drivers will get those while stuck on motorway who knows!)

Well they should have thought about that before they unilaterally decided to close the border. All those poor lorry drivers now stuck on a motorway not knowing if they'll be able to spend Christmas with their families

[roegner]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	All those poor lorry drivers now stuck on a motorway not knowing if they'll be able to spend Christmas with their families

That happens to a lot of people... Or rather knowing they cannot spend Christmas with their loved ones.

I do feel sorry for them as they are in their trucks though.

[Castro]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Well they should have thought about that before they unilaterally decided to close the border. All those poor lorry drivers now stuck on a motorway not knowing if they'll be able to spend Christmas with their families

For most of the year we've been unilaterally closing our borders to dozens of countries at short notice, creating chaos and leaving 000s stranded or having to scurry back home before an arbitrary deadline. And back then it was simply a ticking over of an R number from one category to another, not a rapidly spreading mutant which scientists are scrabbling around to better understand.

There is no schadenfreude since I care a lot about my homeland and those stranded on her borders, but a bit of humility and self awareness from our politicians would go a long way. Just a week ago we were talking about gunboats in the English channel to protect our fish and now we baulk at the EU for wishing to protect their citizens.

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Well they should have thought about that before they unilaterally decided to close the border. All those poor lorry drivers now stuck on a motorway not knowing if they'll be able to spend Christmas with their families

Plenty of people in this forum who won't be able to spend Christmas with their families.

[John William]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	Hardly. It’s still only for essential travel and you need a negative Covid test (where the lorry drivers will get those while stuck on motorway who knows!)

Yes and Only non UK drivers allowed to continue across the border following a negative Covid test at Dover. UK nationals
( unless they have permanent residency in the country they are travelling to ) will remain barred from many European countries.

[John William]

	Quote:	John William
	Yes and Only non UK drivers allowed to continue across the border following a negative Covid test at Dover. UK nationals ( unless they have permanent residency in the country they are travelling to ) will remain barred from many European countries.

Ooops forgot the other exception, namely UK drivers that are also hauliers can also cross over to
France from Dover, provided they test negative for Covid.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	John William
	Ooops forgot the other exception, namely UK drivers that are also hauliers can also cross over to France from Dover, provided they test negative for Covid. Attachment 140955

A 3.5 ton van will do if carrying freight, no need for an HGV.

[JackieH]

	Quote:	John William
	Ooops forgot the other exception, namely UK drivers that are also hauliers can also cross over to France from Dover, provided they test negative for Covid. Attachment 140955

ah, great idea. We have swapped our September week at our (shared) villa for the beginning of May this year, so we can us another week in Umbria, for our BIG wedding anniv. Let's hope we won't need a truck by then

We will of course only go if it is safe for them and for us.

[TonyClifton]

Very much sounds like a deal is about to be agreed, Merry Brexmas!

[PanFastic]

	Quote:	Castro
	... to protect our fish.

What fish?
There is no fish. We managed to kill almost everything.
Fishing ships should be cut in half or reused for something else.
Owners of boats should be subsidized. And then no fishing for minimum of 10 years. Before is too late. And now it is the right time. But hey, politicians.

[Castro]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Very much sounds like a deal is about to be agreed, Merry Brexmas!

It would be churlish to not take my hat off to the UK and EU negotiators for getting this over the line. However I still maintain that we were always better off in the Union which we helped establish, and within which we had a number of sweetheart opt-outs which we would never get back if we tried to re-join.

[Island Monkey]

Interesting that Brexit deal comes within 24 hours of Macron opening up French border again

[bowlie]

	Quote:	PanFastic
	What fish? There is no fish. We managed to kill almost everything. Fishing ships should be cut in half or reused for something else. Owners of boats should be subsidized. And then no fishing for minimum of 10 years. Before is too late. And now it is the right time. But hey, politicians.

I believe the owners of Britain’s fishing fleet are either French or Spanish. Why subsidise them? No subsidise the British Fishermen and encourage them to learn new trades. Then you can sell the fishing rights to the highest bidders. Most likely the Chinese but ...

[JackieH]

	Quote:	Castro
	It would be churlish to not take my hat off to the UK and EU negotiators for getting this over the line. However I still maintain that we were always better off in the Union which we helped establish, and within which we had a number of sweetheart opt-outs which we would never get back if we tried to re-join.

where? how? when? LINK/S? please

[bowlie]

Is the fat man singing? Well it ain’t over until he does.

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	JackieH
	where? how? when? LINK/S? please

Probably tommorow