The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[John William]

Well the British and the EU are still haggling over this interminable Trade Deal with hopes of a deal, ebbing
and flowing all the time.

BBC News - Brexit UK & the EU still haggling as hopes for a trade deal rise

If the worst comes to the worst, what would an Australian style deal look like ?

[marton]

Probably will be a long time before we learn the full extent of Boris's concessions.

[John William]

Well in the meantime, so much for the Brexit contingency exercise this week.

[marton]

"Deal is done," read a statement from Downing Street. "Everything that the British public was promised during the 2016 referendum and in the general election last year is delivered by this deal.

Whether everything is really delivered we will only know when we read the documents.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55435930

Not much so far, but at least they've finally managed it.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55435930 Not much so far, but at least they've finally managed it.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/br...150016549.html
A Downing Street spokesperson said: “Everything that the British public was promised during the 2016 referendum and in the general election last year is delivered by this deal.

"We have taken back control of our money, borders, laws, trade and our fishing waters.

“The deal is the biggest bilateral trade deal signed by either side, covering trade worth £668bn in 2019. The deal also guarantees that we are no longer in the lunar pull of the EU, we are not bound by EU rules, there is no role for the European Court of Justice and all of our key red lines about returning sovereignty have been achieved.”

[Talk to you later]

Wow! What timing, just now I received my new, non EU British passport! Blue/Black colour

[22 yards]

	Quote:	marton
	"Deal is done," read a statement from Downing Street. "Everything that the British public was promised during the 2016 referendum and in the general election last year is delivered by this deal. Whether everything is really delivered we will only know when we read the documents.

Wow! That was quick! Looks like that trade deal must have been "one of the easiest in human history"!

[Castro]

So what changes for us is that we will join different queues at the airport (common to all Brits) but having a Swiss residence permit means that we are not subject to the same 90 day limit?

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	From January 1st 2021 You'll stand in a different queue at borders At border control, you should use separate lanes from EU, EEA and Swiss citizens. Tourists will be able to travel without a visa to Schengen area countries - which includes most EU nations and Iceland, Norway, Switzerland and Liechtenstein - for up to 90 days in any 180-day period. So, a four-day long weekend in Portugal at Easter, followed by a fortnight in France in June, would count as 18 days towards your 90-day limit. From 2022, UK nationals must pay for an electronic authorisation to travel to the Schengen area - similar to the ESTA system in the US. For countries outside the Schengen zone, the rules are similar - but check with the individual country. Source

[Talk to you later]

	Quote:	Castro
	So what changes for us is that we will join different queues at the airport (common to all Brits) but having a Swiss residence permit means that we are not subject to the same 90 day limit?

Yes, will just have to line up with all the riff-raff from non-EU countries We will be treated as lepers outside UK and Switzerland

[22 yards]

I'm not sure that's right. I think that as the holder of a residence permit in Switzerland, you should be able to use the EU/EEA/Switzerland passport holders' queue, even though you don't hold any of those passports.

That's how it worked for me with UK border control when I had indefinite right to remain in the UK, before I acquired UK citizenship.

[JackieH]

surely it is the passport that will count. I remember the days before the EU when I had to queue, with my Swiss passport, in the 'alien queue- until I acquire UK citizenship in 73.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	JackieH
	surely it is the passport that will count. I remember the days before the EU when I had to queue, with my Swiss passport, in the 'alien queue.

Switzerland was not in the EU so clearly you needed to be in the non EU line until CH signed bilateral agreements about 15 years ago.

[Castro]

	Quote:	Talk to you later
	Yes, will just have to line up with all the riff-raff from non-EU countries We will be treated as lepers outside UK and Switzerland

	Quote:	22 yards
	I'm not sure that's right. I think that as the holder of a residence permit in Switzerland, you should be able to use the EU/EEA/Switzerland passport holders' queue, even though you don't hold any of those passports. That's how it worked for me with UK border control when I had indefinite right to remain in the UK, before I acquired UK citizenship.

	Quote:	JackieH
	surely it is the passport that will count. I remember the days before the EU when I had to queue, with my Swiss passport, in the 'alien queue.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Switzerland was not in the EU so clearly you needed to be in the non EU line until CH signed bilateral agreements about 15 years ago.

So its not just me I have an Indian colleague on a C permit, I'll ask him.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Castro
	So its not just me I have an Indian colleague on a C permit, I'll ask him.

UK never issued C permits, they don't even issue ID cards to citizens.

[marton]

What next?

	Quote:
	[Students and young people from Britain will no longer take part in the Europe-wide Erasmus exchange programme after the UK failed to reach agreement over its post-Brexit membership.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	What next?

Being replaced by a world wide programme, whats not to like?

[bowlie]

	Quote:	22 yards
	I'm not sure that's right. I think that as the holder of a residence permit in Switzerland, you should be able to use the EU/EEA/Switzerland passport holders' queue, even though you don't hold any of those passports. That's how it worked for me with UK border control when I had indefinite right to remain in the UK, before I acquired UK citizenship.

Unless the Swiss have changed their rules a Swiss residence permit doesn’t get you into the EU queue.

And British Passports will have to be stamped crossing Schengen borders, they need some way of determining time spent in the Schengen area. Will likely add 30s to the control time for an inbound flight . As an A320 has 189 passengers that means an additional 1 1/2 hours per flight in processing.

Saturdays during ski season are going to be a disaster.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Being replaced by a world wide programme, whats not to like?

You really believe there will be such a programme?
Best news is first week in Jan the NHS get the first 350 million.

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	Talk to you later
	Wow! What timing, just now I received my new, non EU British passport! Blue/Black colour

And I just received my red Swiss passport this month!