The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[olygirl]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	1. It shouldn’t affect them too much. Apart from the fact until they get citizenship they can’t leave & come back. I assume permit works for Schengen travel?? 2. Massively.

Thanks for the reply. If I understand this correctly, there will be fewer UK nationals seeking work in Switzerland unless Switzerland and the UK renegotiate their immigration agreements.

[Castro]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	1. It shouldn’t affect them too much. Apart from the fact until they get citizenship they can’t leave & come back. I assume permit works for Schengen travel?? 2. Massively.

There is some hope for enhanced relations between the UK and Switzerland thanks to the 'Mind the Gap plus' strategy and bilateral treaties. Up until now its been a triangular relationship between the UK and Switzerland with the EU in one corner, but now we have left its conceivable that further rights could be developed approaching those of EU citizens.

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I think you are overestimating the difficulty for anyone with a skill. I came to CH in 1994 long before free movement. I just had a skill that was missing.

Certain jobs no problem, just like other Non-EU here. But I don’t see British ski instructors or other seasonal workers being able to come just for example (try convincing authorities that there’s no one else in Europe who can teach skiing)... I’m sure there are many others who will struggle too.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	Certain jobs no problem, just like other Non-EU here. But I don’t see British ski instructors or other seasonal workers being able to come just for example (try convincing authorities that there’s no one else in Europe who can teach skiing)... I’m sure there are many others who will struggle too.

For lowly qualified trainee instructors you are right, instructors with the highest qualifications will be welcome throughout the world. I know British Qualified instructors working in Canada, USA & France, just as I know Canadian & American instructors working in France.

Switzerland is unusual as a high level of qualifications is not required to teach skiing, possibly no qualifications at all......

[John William]

	Quote:	Talk to you later
	Yes, will just have to line up with all the riff-raff from non-EU countries We will be treated as lepers outside UK and Switzerland

Yes all those dodgy characters lurk in the non EU Channel, still it will be good to see the Brexit's
finally rubbing shoulders with all those nefarious characters from Putin's Russia, out to
undermine the west.

[John William]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	For lowly qualified trainee instructors you are right, instructors with the highest qualifications will be welcome throughout the world. I know British Qualified instructors working in Canada, USA & France, just as I know Canadian & American instructors working in France. Switzerland is unusual as a high level of qualifications is not required to teach skiing, possibly no qualifications at all......

Could Switzerland do with taking a leaf out of Priti Patel's book and introduce a Points-based system
for Ski Chalet Girls ?

[JackieH]

Just depends what you mean by 'teaching'.

Yes, school teachers who are excellent skiers can ski with their pupils on day trips, etc. Something we from the UK were never allowed to do- we could accompany the kids on slopes they had skied with their French/Swiss/Italian/Austrian instructors recently- they had to be in lessons with instructors for half the day. To be able to do so, we had to do a residential course in the Alps with a top BASI instructor (I did 3 with the same brilliant one, top BASI coach coach), and I was also an Artificial Ski slope instructor. I have taught my OH, children, and so many I took out on ski trips over many years, friends, family, in an informal but very effective manner. Snowboarding too. So in this sense you are right.

Most of the teachers who ski with school groups. or ski clubs, etc, are PE teachers with a ski specialism- and/or have done some training courses with 'Jeunesse et Sport' (in Romandie) to allow them to do so. They can also be employed at Junior Level with SSF, under strict supervision (not sure if this is still the case).

The French system is just nonsense, and reflects the French Edu system- where qualifications trump teaching ability in seniority and professional advancement. Hence the too often 'follow me and watch how brilliant I am' approach. Top FRench ski instructors are those who win races, National or International, and not those that are best at TEACHING- eg assessing the potential of each student and how to unlock it, allow them to get over blockages and plateaux, etc. As such, the British system is miles and miles ahead. The Swiss somewhere in between.

Anyhow, by the by - but yes indeed- it will be very difficult, after years and years of fighting protectionism from the EU Ski Schools- to find work for British Instructors unless well established in the system already.

[Castro]

	Quote:	John William
	Yes all those dodgy characters lurk in the non EU Channel, still it will be good to see the Brexit's finally rubbing shoulders with all those nefarious characters from Putin's Russia, out to undermine the west.

It would be interesting to see what will happen at UK airports. I'm guessing the EU/CH will be grouped with US, NZ, AUS etc.. for fast track and eGate access.

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:	Castro
	It would be interesting to see what will happen at UK airports. I'm guessing the EU/CH will be grouped with US, NZ, AUS etc.. for fast track and eGate access.

I was wondering this the other day. I'd think so, it prob won't change much at all. There was talk about UK only lanes, but the theory was that this would actually make things slower.

[Harness]

	Quote:	Castro
	It would be interesting to see what will happen at UK airports. I'm guessing the EU/CH will be grouped with US, NZ, AUS etc.. for fast track and eGate access.

Possibly, but they will just put more people on those desks, or extend/repurpose the existing facilities.

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:	John William
	Could Switzerland do with taking a leaf out of Priti Patel's book and introduce a Points-based system for Ski Chalet Girls ?

I think the UK chalet holiday as we know it is over. UK companies can't ship out British staff and pay them low UK wages anymore. As are Brits going for the season to work in bars and shops etc.... even a ski bum won't be able to do more than 90 days.

[Harness]

	Quote:	olygirl
	Thanks for the reply. If I understand this correctly, there will be fewer UK nationals seeking work in Switzerland unless Switzerland and the UK renegotiate their immigration agreements.

Somewhere way back I thought the Swiss had agreed the number of UK permits already, and it was actually higher than now.


Regardless, my company is full of non-EU.

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:	Harness
	Somewhere way back I thought the Swiss had agreed the number of UK permits already, and it was actually higher than now. Regardless, my company is full of non-EU.

Yes there is a small number of permits reserved for Brits.... what is not clear is if they are still subject to the Non-EU hiring process or not.

[JackieH]

Katya Adler, Laura Kuenssberg's BFF at Brexit Broadcasting Corporation, trying to put a positive spin on the trade deal struck. Yet, there's one very important sentence buried halfway through her article: 'Remember, the UK is a service-based economy, yet this agreement hardly deals with services at all.'

It is indeed 'services' and not 'fish' that pays huge amounts of tax to pay for all essential ... services.

[SponPlague]

Category 1. folks already here at year-end can stay.

For category 2., there will now be an annual quota.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	Yes there is a small number of permits reserved for Brits.... what is not clear is if they are still subject to the Non-EU hiring process or not.

What? The Bris taking priority over U.S., Canadian, Australian, etc. nationals.

Well to paraphrase, Not on your Nelly!

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	Castro
	It would be interesting to see what will happen at UK airports. I'm guessing the EU/CH will be grouped with US, NZ, AUS etc.. for fast track and eGate access.

How does this work?

[marton]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Katya Adler, Laura Kuenssberg's BFF at Brexit Broadcasting Corporation, trying to put a positive spin on the trade deal struck. Yet, there's one very important sentence buried halfway through her article: 'Remember, the UK is a service-based economy, yet this agreement hardly deals with services at all.' It is indeed 'services' and not 'fish' that pays huge amounts of tax to pay for all essential ... services.

" 'services' and not 'fish' " how true, anyway it is a cr#p deal for the fishermen.

	Quote:
	Angry British fisherman say they have been betrayed by the Government in its trade deal with the EU, accusing Boris Johnson of "bottling it" in the negotiations....

[Dinivan]

	Quote:	wantone
	I watched a bit of BBC yesterday, someone claimed that the UK got similar deal to Norway yet Norway allows free movement of people. How can that be?

It's nothing at all what Norway has. Norway is in the single market. Free trade, unimpeded because rules are automatically aligned. The UK will enjoy tariff and quota-free trade, but it won't be in the single market or even in the EU customs union. If the UK deviates from EU rules (or vice-versa), retaliatory tariffs will be applied, and trade won't be as smooth. Even Switzerland has some hurdles compared to our neighbours, and the UK deal may be way worse (may, because nobody has the full text yet).

[st2lemans]

Problem solved:

How does this work?

Tom