Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #28501  
Old 25.12.2020, 16:48
Island Monkey's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wallis
Posts: 6,694
Groaned at 118 Times in 82 Posts
Thanked 7,512 Times in 3,427 Posts
Island Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Problem solved:



Tom
If it only it was that simple hey! .... itís like saying there is a simple solution to Israel/Palestine.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Island Monkey for this useful post:
  #28502  
Old 25.12.2020, 18:09
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Frick, Aargau
Posts: 2,876
Groaned at 62 Times in 50 Posts
Thanked 4,070 Times in 1,901 Posts
HickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond reputeHickvonFrick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Katya Adler, Laura Kuenssberg's BFF at Brexit Broadcasting Corporation, trying to put a positive spin on the trade deal struck. Yet, there's one very important sentence buried halfway through her article: 'Remember, the UK is a service-based economy, yet this agreement hardly deals with services at all.'

It is indeed 'services' and not 'fish' that pays huge amounts of tax to pay for all essential ... services.
Theres been a lot of very personal and often highly sexist comment thrown at Kuenssberg for no good reason.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank HickvonFrick for this useful post:
  #28503  
Old 25.12.2020, 18:33
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Zurich
Posts: 65
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 44 Times in 25 Posts
yarpen is considered knowledgeableyarpen is considered knowledgeableyarpen is considered knowledgeable
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Passporting, which allowed automatic access to the single market, is gone.
Mutual Recognition of Professional Qualifications (MRPQs), the mechanism that allows workers such as doctors, engineers and architects to have their qualifications recognized across member states has also gone.
Switzerland recognizes many various medical degrees awarded according to EU regulations. It will be interesting to see what happens to British medical degrees awarded after 2020.

Quote:
View Post
Aviation and haulage will continue as before with passenger and cargo planes still able to fly and land in the EU including stopover flights from Heathrow and elsewhere in the UK that originated from outside the UK.
If I understand correctly, nothing will change for the passengers: BA will be required to uphold obligations specified by EC261/2004 most of the time. Every itinerary that begins with a connecting flight from EU to Heathrow, or any other connecting airport in the UK, must include protection of passenger rights according to the regulation.
Reply With Quote
  #28504  
Old 25.12.2020, 20:07
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: GR
Posts: 458
Groaned at 21 Times in 17 Posts
Thanked 149 Times in 127 Posts
wantone has no particular reputation at present
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
For lowly qualified trainee instructors you are right, instructors with the highest qualifications will be welcome throughout the world. I know British Qualified instructors working in Canada, USA & France, just as I know Canadian & American instructors working in France.

Switzerland is unusual as a high level of qualifications is not required to teach skiing, possibly no qualifications at all......
Μost seasonal jobs in Canada like instructors at ski resorts are done via Work Holiday visa (basically free and easy to get visa for 2 years for UK passport holders up to certain age).

After this visa you need to follow up with immigration process (lots of documents to file). It can be done but not easy.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank wantone for this useful post:
  #28505  
Old 25.12.2020, 20:20
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
It has been approved by the EP, the Commission and the Council. Why would they object to something that doesnít affect any EU national? This relates to non-EUs travelling to the Schengen area and is no more onerous that a Schengen Visa request. The benefit being that every Schengen member has immediate access to information regarding the application; arrival and departure (from Schengen) information.

Can it be misused, of course. Will it be? Who knows?
Eh? I'm talking about the whole trade deal, not just the visa system.

For example, there are parts of the European Parliament that will not be happy about the lack of binding of the UK to EU standards - particularly labour and environmental.
Reply With Quote
  #28506  
Old 25.12.2020, 20:23
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 32,706
Groaned at 2,625 Times in 1,868 Posts
Thanked 39,818 Times in 18,778 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
Eh? I'm talking about the whole trade deal, not just the visa system.

For example, there are parts of the European Parliament that will not be happy about the lack of binding of the UK to EU standards - particularly labour and environmental.
Screw the EU!

They are SCUM!

Tom
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post:
  #28507  
Old 25.12.2020, 21:51
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Nyon
Posts: 6,942
Groaned at 408 Times in 301 Posts
Thanked 9,621 Times in 4,502 Posts
bowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
Eh? I'm talking about the whole trade deal, not just the visa system.

For example, there are parts of the European Parliament that will not be happy about the lack of binding of the UK to EU standards - particularly labour and environmental.
My apologies I thought you were referring to the ETIAS program.

We shall see what we see with the EU/UK agreement. Iím not certain Boris has the votes to get it past the British Parl. A lot of Conservatives wanted the no-deal option.
Reply With Quote
  #28508  
Old 25.12.2020, 23:06
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 13,131
Groaned at 218 Times in 182 Posts
Thanked 15,264 Times in 7,847 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
If it only it was that simple hey! .... itís like saying there is a simple solution to Israel/Palestine.
And the melody is just as simple/dull.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank curley for this useful post:
  #28509  
Old 26.12.2020, 07:10
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Swiss Confederation
Posts: 11,501
Groaned at 409 Times in 335 Posts
Thanked 17,648 Times in 8,925 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
I think you are overestimating the difficulty for anyone with a skill. I came to CH in 1994 long before free movement. I just had a skill that was missing.
And you are underestimating it. Do you want to exchange places with non-EU competitors? Good for you, since your problem is already solved. You don't have to believe me, ask everyone who came to CH with a skill how easy it was. When we came here we were treated like non-EU, trust me in spite of salary conditions being met etc and excellent credentials it was tough. That's why I don't take any shit from anyone here. My OH was a highly sought after specialist with his studies already done, he didn't invent himself here, he didn't have to retrain or to prove anything anymore.

Ask first those from developing countries, not a few fat American or Canadian expats. Well, I guess the British will see for themselves how's like to be like everyone else from this point of view.

Last edited by greenmount; 26.12.2020 at 07:26.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank greenmount for this useful post:
  #28510  
Old 26.12.2020, 08:20
MusicChick's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: La Cote
Posts: 17,488
Groaned at 414 Times in 275 Posts
Thanked 20,435 Times in 10,578 Posts
MusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
.. not a few fat American or Canadian expats.
Nice.

Quote:
Well, I guess the British will see for themselves how's like to be like everyone else from this point of view.
Which was his point.

He made it, because he has a particular skill. I even disagree. He made it because he has a skill, there was a need for it and he adjusted, integrated and he had no desire to stay at home.

UK will have to work hard to attract their specialized workforce again, instead of seeing them leave.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank MusicChick for this useful post:
  #28511  
Old 26.12.2020, 09:11
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Swiss Confederation
Posts: 11,501
Groaned at 409 Times in 335 Posts
Thanked 17,648 Times in 8,925 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Nice.



Which was his point.

He made it, because he has a particular skill. I even disagree. He made it because he has a skill, there was a need for it and he adjusted, integrated and he had no desire to stay at home.

UK will have to work hard to attract their specialized workforce again, instead of seeing them leave.
Yes, "fat" as in high level management, highly payed CEO kind of positions. Not fat as in overweight but that I didn't expect everyone will get it.


Good for him and my intention wasn't to discuss his professional activity or outlook on life, I just wanted to point out that from the legislative point of view is not always easy. Many people have a skill, want to integrate and work hard for that but they don't start from the same place. They have to struggle with incredible bureaucracy and waiting time, time that could be used in a better way I think*. He moved here when freedom of movement wasn't a thing but there wasn't that much competition from all over the world either.

I don't care what UK will do in the future, was I have no intention to ever move there. But strictly speaking of freedom of movement, FMF is wrong, like totally wrong.

*oh, and quotas, since we talked about CH. If the quota has been exceeded you stand no chance of getting a work permit here.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank greenmount for this useful post:
  #28512  
Old 26.12.2020, 10:37
Jim2007's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Kt. Bern
Posts: 5,227
Groaned at 301 Times in 227 Posts
Thanked 8,531 Times in 3,758 Posts
Jim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
If I understand correctly, nothing will change for the passengers: BA will be required to uphold obligations specified by EC261/2004 most of the time. Every itinerary that begins with a connecting flight from EU to Heathrow, or any other connecting airport in the UK, must include protection of passenger rights according to the regulation.
Since BA will now be liable for all passengers refused entry into the EU/Schengen, Iíd expect that it will change terms of the amount of scrutiny theyíll do at the boarding gates.
Reply With Quote
  #28513  
Old 26.12.2020, 10:48
Jim2007's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Kt. Bern
Posts: 5,227
Groaned at 301 Times in 227 Posts
Thanked 8,531 Times in 3,758 Posts
Jim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
There is some hope for enhanced relations between the UK and Switzerland thanks to the 'Mind the Gap plus' strategy and bilateral treaties. Up until now its been a triangular relationship between the UK and Switzerland with the EU in one corner, but now we have left its conceivable that further rights could be developed approaching those of EU citizens.
I expect it will become more difficult, since there is no longer a reason to give better terms to the UK than say the US, Canada, Australia etc...people tend to get very upset when they feel they are not being treated differently to others in the same circumstances.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Jim2007 for this useful post:
  #28514  
Old 26.12.2020, 10:52
Island Monkey's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wallis
Posts: 6,694
Groaned at 118 Times in 82 Posts
Thanked 7,512 Times in 3,427 Posts
Island Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Since BA will now be liable for all passengers refused entry into the EU/Schengen, Iíd expect that it will change terms of the amount of scrutiny theyíll do at the boarding gates.
The airline has always been liable for making sure the passenger has the right to enter the country they are travelling to. They already have to make sure Pax have a Schengen visa if they don't have a right to visa free travel, all that's changed is that they now have to do this for Brits too.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Island Monkey for this useful post:
  #28515  
Old 26.12.2020, 18:54
TonyClifton's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Hopefully soon to be Aargau
Posts: 2,058
Groaned at 889 Times in 499 Posts
Thanked 4,900 Times in 2,164 Posts
TonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
I have not been able to check what is below myself- but it is from Jason Hunter who is a very experienced international negotiator (and yes, very pro EU)

''Yay. Great deal. Thanks Boris Johnson.

........

Merry Christmas folks and as always.... Bollocks to Brexit.''
Arenít you happy? Werenít you saying that Boris Johnson wanted no deal?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank TonyClifton for this useful post:
  #28516  
Old 26.12.2020, 19:42
Jim2007's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Kt. Bern
Posts: 5,227
Groaned at 301 Times in 227 Posts
Thanked 8,531 Times in 3,758 Posts
Jim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
The airline has always been liable for making sure the passenger has the right to enter the country they are travelling to. They already have to make sure Pax have a Schengen visa if they don't have a right to visa free travel, all that's changed is that they now have to do this for Brits too.

Except that the default before was that most people would be landed, since they had a legal right .
Reply With Quote
  #28517  
Old 26.12.2020, 20:20
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Nyon
Posts: 6,942
Groaned at 408 Times in 301 Posts
Thanked 9,621 Times in 4,502 Posts
bowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Since BA will now be liable for all passengers refused entry into the EU/Schengen, Iíd expect that it will change terms of the amount of scrutiny theyíll do at the boarding gates.
Actually the liability rests with the passengers. If they donít have the correct documents at the gate, they arenít boarded. And their T&Cs clearly state that it is the passengers responsibility to have the correct papers. Unless you have bought a fully flexible ticket there will be no refund, rebooking or rerouting.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank bowlie for this useful post:
  #28518  
Old 26.12.2020, 20:33
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. ZŁrich
Posts: 11,939
Groaned at 618 Times in 523 Posts
Thanked 22,148 Times in 11,623 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Arenít you happy? Werenít you saying that Boris Johnson wanted no deal?
British Prime Minister Theresa May said in Jan 2017 that not reaching a deal with the European Union would be better than concluding a bad exit deal for Britain.

Seems Boris thought the opposite; At long last we have a Brexit deal Ė and it's as bad as you thought
Reply With Quote
  #28519  
Old 26.12.2020, 20:43
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Nyon
Posts: 6,942
Groaned at 408 Times in 301 Posts
Thanked 9,621 Times in 4,502 Posts
bowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
If I understand correctly, nothing will change for the passengers: BA will be required to uphold obligations specified by EC261/2004 most of the time. Every itinerary that begins with a connecting flight from EU to Heathrow, or any other connecting airport in the UK, must include protection of passenger rights according to the regulation.
But you need to read the fine print of the Regulation, in this case the preamble where its says the Regulation applies to passengers departing an EU airport on any airline; and to passengers departing from a non-EU airport travelling to an EU airport IF flying on an EU airline.

For flights from the UK to Europe it is UK legislation that applies, not the EU regulation. For passengers travelling via the UK to the EU from third countries it is that countries laws which apply.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank bowlie for this useful post:
  #28520  
Old 26.12.2020, 21:40
Castro's Avatar
ŗ la mod
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: ZG
Posts: 5,765
Groaned at 127 Times in 103 Posts
Thanked 17,357 Times in 5,519 Posts
Castro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Seems Boris thought the opposite; At long last we have a Brexit deal – and it's as bad as you thought
I disagree with Tom Kibasi, opposing the deal does risk a no deal scenario because even thought the Tories have a majority there is the unpredictability of Brexit ultras stoking a rebellion, since this thin deal pleases exactly nobody.

The losers will be the British public and Johnson's get out card will be.. 'I brought you an excellent deal and Labour trashed it'. Damage limitation is the best option at this stage.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Castro for this useful post:
Reply

Tags
europe




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 5 (0 members and 5 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Latest Referendum, what will be consequences for EU (C permit and B permit) holders? expat2014 Permits/visas/government 3 11.02.2014 07:59
Importing vehicles and the VAT consequences in Switzerland from France BEFO Finance/banking/taxation 6 07.08.2013 14:11
The (Available in CH) Dog Food Review Thread meloncollie Pet corner 44 08.05.2012 19:15
Common-law marriage and consequences in CH Mishto Family matters/health 9 01.10.2011 21:03
Something for the Brits: M&S in CH mark Daily life 11 15.11.2007 11:18


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 12:00.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0