The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Castro
	I disagree with Tom Kibasi, opposing the deal does risk a no deal scenario because even thought the Tories have a majority there is the unpredictability of Brexit ultras stoking a rebellion, since this thin deal pleases exactly nobody. The losers will be the British public and Johnson's get out card will be.. 'I brought you an excellent deal and Labour trashed it'. Damage limitation is the best option at this stage.

Yes I agree with this. In the end it does not matter what deal Boris had struck, even if it was the most unbelievable deal ever, articles like the one from the Guardian will always trash it because they hate Conservatives and are only interested in hating anyone who isn’t left wing.

[Flying Kite]

...divide et impera...next on the table Italy? or Greece?...different times same realities...

[marton]

	Quote:	Mikers
	Yes I agree with this. In the end it does not matter what deal Boris had struck, even if it was the most unbelievable deal ever, articles like the one from the Guardian will always trash it because they hate Conservatives and are only interested in hating anyone who isn’t left wing.

Well if their articles are based on hate and not on the facts then they will soon be proven wrong

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	greenmount
	And you are underestimating it. Do you want to exchange places with non-EU competitors? Good for you, since your problem is already solved. You don't have to believe me, ask everyone who came to CH with a skill how easy it was. When we came here we were treated like non-EU, trust me in spite of salary conditions being met etc and excellent credentials it was tough. That's why I don't take any shit from anyone here. My OH was a highly sought after specialist with his studies already done, he didn't invent himself here, he didn't have to retrain or to prove anything anymore. Ask first those from developing countries, not a few fat American or Canadian expats. Well, I guess the British will see for themselves how's like to be like everyone else from this point of view.

The reality in the computing industry, for the big banks like CS, is they were coming from India before Brexit, and they’ll still be coming from India after...

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	greenmount
	And you are underestimating it. Do you want to exchange places with non-EU competitors? Good for you, since your problem is already solved. You don't have to believe me, ask everyone who came to CH with a skill how easy it was. When we came here we were treated like non-EU, trust me in spite of salary conditions being met etc and excellent credentials it was tough.

Umm, when I came here EU had no advantages over non-EU, and in any case I was non-EU.

And it was VERY easy, my employer spent three years trying to get me to come and work for them! (third try was the charm )

Tom

[Castro]

	Quote:	SponPlague
	The reality in the computing industry, for the big banks like CS, is they were coming from India before Brexit, and they’ll still be coming from India after...

The dynamics could change if there are a lot more recently laid off freelancers in the UK.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Umm, when I came here EU had no advantages over non-EU, and in any case I was non-EU. And it was VERY easy, my employer spent three years trying to get me to come and work for them! (third try was the charm ) Tom

Oh goodness, we're talking about totally different times, I don't know why I bother to answer some posts. Yes, people moved before the "glorious" times of freedom of movement too. I don't think you're interested in knowing what exactly has changed for the EU nationals, so I'll just leave it at that.

	Quote:	SponPlague
	The reality in the computing industry, for the big banks like CS, is they were coming from India before Brexit, and they’ll still be coming from India after...

They're coming from all over the world actually.
Russia, Ukraine, China, some South-American states i.e. many countries which are not part of the EU. Highly sought after specialists, it takes a while to bring them here due to bureaucracy, but it's do-able. I never stated otherwise....

If you're talking about UK, it was easy before it is equally easy now. Nothing changed.

[curley]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Oh goodness, we're talking about totally different times, I don't know why I bother to answer some posts. Yes, people moved before the glorious times of freedom of movement too (or, in our case, before being part of it - teoretically). I don't think you're interested in knowing what exactly has changed for the EU nationals, so I'll just leave it at that........

Neither do I.

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	curley
	neither do i.

That wasn't subtle.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	:d

It's for debate, all points of view being represented etc.

Seriously? Are we gonna debate even that?

Sometimes I thank people for their passive-aggressive posts, MC.

To me it seemed some people are in huge denial that UK will lose some advantages of being EU member. It's one thing to not care about it, and I'm perfectly fine with that, and totally different to argue that you didn't have it to begin with. There.

[Harness]

	Quote:	Castro
	The dynamics could change if there are a lot more recently laid off freelancers in the UK.

Not so sure. The Indian outsourcers have every trick in the book to minimise the salaries while very loosely complying with the law. Not to mention the Indians are employees.
They charge @700 a day for an onsite resource, (offsite can be sub 300) which is not attractive compared to the UK rates.
Obviously needs must when the devil drives etc.

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	Harness
	Not so sure. The Indian outsourcers have every trick in the book to minimise the salaries while very loosely complying with the law. Not to mention the Indians are employees. They charge @700 a day for an onsite resource, (offsite can be sub 300) which is not attractive compared to the UK rates. Obviously needs must when the devil drives etc.

There might be Eastern Europeans willing to help (when/if they exit themselves).

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Yes, people moved before the glorious times of freedom of movement.

Hardly glorious, I am completely against it and always have been.

Tom

[greenmount]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Hardly glorious, I am completely against it and always have been. Tom

Yeah, that was subtle.


I'll use the quotes next time, promise.

[John William]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	There might be Eastern Europeans willing to help (when/if they exit themselves).

Yes Hungary and Poland have become the new rebels in the EU now the UK has left.

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:
	I presume this deal has to be ratified by the European parliament. At first glance there's a few things in there I can imagine them objecting to...I wonder how smooth that will be.

All leaders of the EU 27 have now agreed to the deal. EU parliament vote on it early next year, but assume they won't go against their countries.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	All leaders of the EU 27 have now agreed to the deal. EU parliament vote on it early next year, but assume they won't go against their countries.

Like all trade deals, it will require the approval of 38 regional and national parliaments...


The Irish government has only a margin of 9 and with several members of the coalition indicating they will abstain or vote against it, it could be very tight.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Like all trade deals, it will require the approval of 38 regional and national parliaments... The Irish government has only a margin of 9 and with several members of the coalition indicating they will abstain or vote against it, it could be very tight.

There will be some ritual dances but nobody will vote against it because nobody will be so stupid to be directly responsible for a no-deal chaos.

[marton]

Difficult to see what the world makes of the new EU deal during this holiday period.

The £ rose a lot after the announcement then fell back then rose again and is now slowly drifting down again.
After the Brexit vote was announced the £ fell about 15% on fears of the economic impact; since the new deal was announced the £ seems to be around 2% higher - a long way from 15

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Like all trade deals, it will require the approval of 38 regional and national parliaments... The Irish government has only a margin of 9 and with several members of the coalition indicating they will abstain or vote against it, it could be very tight.

And what about the opposition?