The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[John William]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Not new news, but so what? Do you agree with everything you father ever did or said?

Remainers versus Brexiteers like Cavaliers versus Roundheads, brother against brother and father against son.
'By the Sword divided' That's usually how most civil wars begin in history.

[MusicChick]

I'd offer politicians a bit of a normal family life, which often means seeing things differently than one's parents. That's progress, innit.

[John William]

	Quote:	John William
	Remainers versus Brexiteers like Cavaliers versus Roundheads, brother against brother and father against son. 'By the Sword divided' That's usually how most civil wars begin in history.

Somehow this will rumble on and on & on.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	John William
	Remainers versus Brexiteers like Cavaliers versus Roundheads, brother against brother and father against son. 'By the Sword divided' That's usually how most civil wars begin in history.

Alternatively, the Remainers have the option to accept reality and get over it.

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Ah yes, those awful, nasty frontaliers, who cross every day to look after out sick and our elderly, doctors, nurses, care staff. Horrible how dare they!

Only 5% of them do, the other 95% don't.

They are not a significant number.

Tom

[JackieH]

Well here, our hospitals and care homes could close tomorrow without frontaliers staff.

22000 EU citizens have recently left the UK- many of them doctors, nurses and care staff. 90000 vacancies in the NHS and EU staff no longer coming forwards. The new hospitals built to deal with Covid numbers dismantled as there are no staff to wo/man them.

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Well here, our hospitals and care homes could close tomorrow without frontaliers staff.

Well, YOUR here is clearly different than OUR here.

Anyway, let in the 5%, 4k rather than 80k around here would greatly improve road safety, especially in winter when they all show up with bald summer tires!

Tom

[Harness]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Alternatively, the Remainers have the option to accept reality and get over it.

and pigs might fly.

[Harness]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Well here, our hospitals and care homes could close tomorrow without frontaliers staff. 22000 EU citizens have recently left the UK- many of them doctors, nurses and care staff. 90000 vacancies in the NHS and EU staff no longer coming forwards. The new hospitals built to deal with Covid numbers dismantled as there are no staff to wo/man them.

4,480,000 people have applied for the UK settlement scheme, many of them doctors, nurses and care staff.

[JackieH]

FRom the Embassy in Bern today

What will change from the 1st of January?
You will no longer be able to use the EU lane or e-gates when travelling, you will instead have to go through passport control. You will need to show your Residence Permit and Passport, which applies even when entering the Schengen Area in another country. Your passport will be stamped and should have at least six months left and be less than ten years old. There is a checker available at gov.uk/check-a-passport-travel-europe-1-january-2021. You may be asked to show your residence permit as proof of residency when checking in at the airport.
As a Schengen resident, you will not need to obtain a visa to travel to another country in the Schengen Area (e.g. on holiday). Your residence permit and passport act as proof of residency. However you are only allowed a maximum stay of 90 days in any 180 day period in another country.

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	Harness
	4,480,000 people have applied for the UK settlement scheme, many of them doctors, nurses and care staff.

I am actually really glad that some CZ health staff came back home and helps dealing with the catastrophy there, instead of the UK, France...Italy, even. Some of them took unpaid leave from their fat EU jobs. Kudos to their hearts. CZ provided them with top free education...and underpaid careers.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Ah yes, those awful, nasty frontaliers, who cross every day to look after out sick and our elderly, doctors, nurses, care staff. Horrible how dare they!

Not so many Doctors, but lots of the others ...

[Castro]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Alternatively, the Remainers have the option to accept reality and get over it.

Reality will be biting us all on the arse tomorrow morning. In that sense we're now all in this together and have to make it work.

[John William]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Alternatively, the Remainers have the option to accept reality and get over it.

Never !! in fact were working behind the scenes for the Glorious Restoration already.

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Only 5% of them do, the other 95% don't. They are not a significant number. Tom

19% of the staff employed by the Neuchâtel hospital network are frontaliers.

[JackieH]

In the local care homes near me, I'd say 80+%.

Prof Dougan of Liverpool University and his expert staff understand the reality of the current so called 'Deal' only too well

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1344313846933172230

Any true Brexiter on here and elsewhere knows full well that this is the thinnest, cr*ppiest Deal that could be- any deviance from EU rules and standards that gives the UK any kind of advantage will result in being slapped with tariffs. And services, inc. financial services are totally left out of the loop. The worst of both worlds.

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:	Castro
	Reality will be biting us all on the arse tomorrow morning. In that sense we're now all in this together and have to make it work.

I seem to come across a lot of people (especially British ski season workers) who are in denial. They think things are just going to carry on for them as normal. I’m waiting to watch the realisation set in next year. Anyone who’s currently on a seasonal contract is screwed come the end of this season. (Across all alpine countries).

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	19% of the staff employed by the Neuchâtel hospital network are frontaliers.

Yes, but they are hardly 19% of the frontaliers'

Tom

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Yes, but they are hardly 19% of the frontaliers' Tom

Nope, based on the statistics published by the OFS in September 2020 healthcare workers account for 9.8% of frontaliers in the canton of Neuchâtel.

[marton]

Just announced, Gibraltar to join Schengen. Seems like a good solution to the Spanish border issue, what are any other implications I do not know.