The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[JackieH]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	You may dare but I disagree. I really don't want to be divorced from my magic marmite

Cenovis is a different taste- sometimes I prefer it, sometimes I prefer Marmite. But that is the point- having the choice.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	wantone
	What it will happen with UK nationals that work from home in the EU due to covid and they have entered the EU back in the summer? I know quite a few cases. After today are they illegal? Do they need to leave the EU asap?

I suspect they can remain in the EU/Schengen for 90 days from 1 January. After that they will have to leave. It’s up to them where they go, as long it’s not another EU/Schengen country. Of course Ireland may be different.

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Cenovis is a different taste- sometimes I prefer it, sometimes I prefer Marmite. But that is the point- having the choice.

I find them both equally disgusting so I don’t really care.

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:	wantone
	What it will happen with UK nationals that work from home in the EU due to covid and they have entered the EU back in the summer? I know quite a few cases. After today are they illegal? Do they need to leave the EU asap?

They can stay for 90 days..... but they shouldn’t be working, that is probably illegal, as they need a work permit now.

[JackieH]

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	I find them both equally disgusting so I don’t really care.

fact is you have the choice, and that is what matters. Excellent for you though, all that Vitamin B.

[John William]

	Quote:	bowlie
	I suspect they can remain in the EU/Schengen for 90 days from 1 January. After that they will have to leave. It’s up to them where they go, as long it’s not another EU/Schengen country. Of course Ireland may be different.

Or Estonia - Quote Estonia has opened applications for its Digital Nomad Visa (DNV), which permits international
citizens ( mostly non EU ) in Estonia to work for an international employer or as a freelancer.

A Digital Nomad Visa permits aliens who are engaged in jobs independent of location, to work remotely in Estonia.
Technology, finance and marketing are the main areas of activity in this kind of visa.

Schengen Visa Info - Estonia opens applications for Digital Nomad Visa

[Mikers]

	Quote:	John William
	Or Estonia - Quote Estonia has opened applications for its Digital Nomad Visa (DNV), which permits international citizens ( mostly non EU ) in Estonia to work for an international employer or as a freelancer. A Digital Nomad Visa permits aliens who are engaged in jobs independent of location, to work remotely in Estonia. Technology, finance and marketing are the main areas of activity in this kind of visa. Schengen Visa Info - Estonia opens applications for Digital Nomad Visa

This is no suprise to me. Estonia is a very very advanced country when it comes to The IT industry and professionals.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	They can stay for 90 days..... but they shouldn’t be working, that is probably illegal, as they need a work permit now.

This. The Schengen rights are for the purpose of tourism and if asked by the authorities you are required to be able identify yourself and demonstrate that you are a genuine tourist. Probably a good idea to hold on to things like hotel receipts, train tickets etc while on a trip.

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	They can stay for 90 days..... but they shouldn’t be working, that is probably illegal, as they need a work permit now.

They came under FMOP though. So I think they can continue but not leave and then renter and do the same.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Probably a good idea to hold on to things like hotel receipts, train tickets etc while on a trip.

That is why 3rd country passports are stamped in and out of Schengen.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	They came under FMOP though. So I think they can continue but not leave and then renter and do the same.

After 90 days EU nationals need some sort of permit in Switzerland, the same applies to UK nationals who arrived before 01/01/20

[Polymath]

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	Even a lot of ardent Europhiles can see the EU is insufficiently Democratic . A President who wields significant power who is unelected. The only elected body having very little power. If a developing part of the world had a Von Der Leyen the West would call them a dictator. How can the people get rid of her if they think she's done a bad job? They can't Yes I know she's "indirectly elected", but so is President Xi. It's not enough. Not a personal attack on her - just the rotten system that views the electorate as something to be bypassed.

Precisely. The European Parliament can't even initiate legislation. The EP can only request the Commission to submit a legislative proposal. Rotten indeed.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	bowlie
	That is why 3rd country passports are stamped in and out of Schengen.

Being stamped in and out does not indicate your activity.... that was why I suggested not tossing receipts etc until after your trip.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Polymath
	Precisely. The European Parliament can't even initiate legislation. The EP can only request the Commission to submit a legislative proposal. Rotten indeed.

Yes, it's amazing how things can seem when you don't take the time to educate yourself and understand the reasons why that is the favored approach among the member states.


And of course the fact that we have documented evidence under the FOI, of both the Queen and the Prince of Wales interfering with the operation of parliament in the UK is fine is it?

[Castro]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	They can stay for 90 days..... but they shouldn’t be working, that is probably illegal, as they need a work permit now.

So if my brother was to fly from London to his Brussels office for a week he would be breaking the law (without a visa)?

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:	Castro
	So if my brother was to fly from London to his Brussels office for a week he would be breaking the law (without a visa)?

https://www.gov.uk/visit-europe-1-ja...a-requirements

Depends on individual countries and your work situation. I read somewhere that Malta among others will require a visa even for short business travel.

Edit: https://twitter.com/simoncalder/stat...184031233?s=21

“This has consequences for UK business visitors to some countries. The general principle of 90 days’ travel in any 180 is overridden in Cyprus, Denmark, Hungary and Malta. According to p751, they will need a work permit "in case the short-term business visitor supplies a service”.

[Castro]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	https://www.gov.uk/visit-europe-1-ja...a-requirements Depends on individual countries and your work situation. I read somewhere that Malta among others will require a visa even for short business travel. Edit: https://twitter.com/simoncalder/stat...184031233?s=21 “This has consequences for UK business visitors to some countries. The general principle of 90 days’ travel in any 180 is overridden in Cyprus, Denmark, Hungary and Malta. According to p751, they will need a work permit "in case the short-term business visitor supplies a service”.

Thanks, the UK government really should create a simple website with drop down menus to clarify on a country-by-country basis rather than dumping the responsibility on people. This will be a completely alien situation for many and they risk temporary bans from the EU if they fall foul of the rules.

	Quote:
	You may need a visa, work permit or other documentation if you’re planning to stay for longer than 90 days in a 180-day period, or if you’ll be doing any of the following: transferring from the UK branch of a company to a branch in a different country (‘intra-corporate transfer’), even for a short period of time carrying out contracts to provide a service to a client in another country in which your employer has no presence providing services in another country as a self-employed person Check the entry requirements and rules of the country you’re visiting to find out if you need a visa or work permit.

[Polymath]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Yes, it's amazing how things can seem when you don't take the time to educate yourself and understand the reasons why that is the favored approach among the member states. And of course the fact that we have documented evidence under the FOI, of both the Queen and the Prince of Wales interfering with the operation of parliament in the UK is fine is it?

One imperfect system is not an automatic excuse for another.

Whilst it's been some years since I studied EU Law, I am aware that the EP's workings differ from sovereign parliaments for what may be legitimate reasons, ostensibly at least. However, this does not obviate the fact that the EU's institutional architecture is fundamentally anti-democratic.

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:	bowlie
	That is why 3rd country passports are stamped in and out of Schengen.

One benefit of Brexit maybe... British passports will look cool (inside) again. Gutted passport stamping doesn’t really happens these days!

[bowlie]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	One benefit of Brexit maybe... British passports will look cool (inside) again. Gutted passport stamping doesn’t really happens these days!

Not if you are resident in Schengen.