The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	RufusB
	Of course I'm not, how did you extrapolate that? What it does do, as your extensive university of life training should tell you, is make it clear to the relevant parties how much (measurable) dissatisfaction there is.

How exactly?
And what use is in that differentiation in the first place, how would you put such knowledge to good use?

You can't differentiate those who yielded to state power and sent theirs in due to the fine only from those who would have sent in (or dropped, whatevers) an empty ballot paper either way. Both say " ... ", you'll never know their specific reason. Some don't care, others trust in the wisdom of their peers, others are fine either way because it has always worked out well so far, while some think the ruling class will always do what they want.

Besides, your snobbiness is showing. Better hide it.

[JackieH]

	Quote:	bowlie
	BBC reporting today that consumers in NI are having difficulties ordering on-line from the UK because of the customs formalities. The 55.8% of NI voters, who voted remain, are likely not very happy!

Super markets all over the UK - reports of empty shelves, no fresh fruit or veg, and lots of products not available at all.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Super markets all over the UK - reports of empty shelves, no fresh fruit or veg, and lots of products not available at all.

Please tell me they still have British sausages ?

[RufusB]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Besides, your snobbiness is showing. Better hide it.

My oh my.

[Island Monkey]

Lorry drivers having their ham sandwiches confiscated... https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ritish-drivers

[Landers]

UK visitors to the EU are only allowed limited stays now right? How is that monitored?

How should things work now for UK folk resident in Switzerland when it comes to limited stays within the EU? Do you need to get your passport stamped every time you go and come back from shopping in France?

[marton]

	Quote:	Landers
	UK visitors to the EU are only allowed limited stays now right? How is that monitored? How should things work now for UK folk resident in Switzerland when it comes to limited stays within the EU? Do you need to get your passport stamped every time you go and come back from shopping in France?

UK folk resident in Switzerland with the correct resident permits are Swiss residents, not UK residents

Switzerland, unlike many other countries, does not have work permits - it has resident permits that allow people to work.

[Landers]

	Quote:	marton
	UK folk resident in Switzerland with the correct resident permits are Swiss residents, not UK residents Switzerland, unlike many other countries, does not have work permits - it has resident permits that allow people to work.

Nothing in this post has any relevance to my post.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	bowlie
	The 55.8% of NI voters, who voted remain, are likely not very happy!

You got a lot to learn about NI politics.... The bigger the wedge between NI and the UK main land, the happier the 50% or so, Republicans will be. It moves the justification for a border poll forward.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	RufusB
	My oh my.

So you can't provide any rational reasoning for your position, or demonstrate what insight would be gained.

Ok, case closed then.

[RufusB]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	So you can't provide any rational reasoning for your position, or demonstrate what insight would be gained. Ok, case closed then.

I just can't see the point in engaging with you as you've resorted to personal attacks. Crack on. Whatever makes you feel better. You're an irrelevant waste of my time.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	RufusB
	I just can't see the point in engaging with you as you've resorted to personal attacks. Crack on. Whatever makes you feel better. You're an irrelevant waste of my time.

Says the poster who launched the first personal attack.

But of course that's entirely different, after all you're a woman and everybody "knows" that they're always the victim.

[roegner]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Says the poster who launched the first personal attack. But of course that's entirely different, after all you're a woman and everybody "knows" that they're always the victim.

Sure, that seems to be your argument so often.....

What happened to you that that argument so often pops up, huh?

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	roegner
	Sure, that seems to be your argument so often..... What happened to you that that argument so often pops up, huh?

I kind of feel sorry for him in a way, it must have been something pretty traumatic to make him so bitter about it.

[marton]

	Quote:	Landers
	Nothing in this post has any relevance to my post.

So you say.

Foreign nationals from non-EU/EFTA states in possession of a valid Swiss foreign national permit B, C, L or Ci do not require a visa to visit a country in the Schengen area (up to 90 days within a 180-day period).
However, you must carry a valid Swiss residence permit and valid travel documents (your passport or a Swiss travel document for foreign nationals).

Of course, Corona rules about the entry of people from Switzerland do apply.

[JackieH]

	Quote:	Mikers
	Please tell me they still have British sausages ?

They do- in fact they will have more and more- as they no longer can export them. A real shame as it is one of the many things we always bring two coolers with us when we drive to uk, as well as Melton Mowbray pork pies, no longer allowed either, Stilton and Red Leicester, etc.

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	IIRC Schaffhausen is the only exception nowadays.

My democracy guide says:

	Quote:
	“In Switzerland dereliction of civic duty is punished only in Schaffhausen Canton where an abstention fine of 3 Swiss francs is imposed on nonvoters. In 2013 the average voter turnout in Switzerland was 47,1%. In Schaffhausen 64%...” Excerpt From Swiss Democracy in a Nutshell Vincent Kucholl https://books.apple.com/gb/book/swis...ll/id981871839

[Landers]

	Quote:	marton
	So you say. Foreign nationals from non-EU/EFTA states in possession of a valid Swiss foreign national permit B, C, L or Ci do not require a visa to visit a country in the Schengen area (up to 90 days within a 180-day period). However, you must carry a valid Swiss residence permit and valid travel documents (your passport or a Swiss travel document for foreign nationals).

This also has no relevance/is incorrect. UK visitors don't need a visa in most cases to visit for short periods regardless of Swiss permit. The question is if UK visitors with a Swiss permit can visit any Schengen country without the limited stay restriction. Is the Swiss Permit a 'Schengen passport' if you like.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Landers
	This also has no relevance/is incorrect. UK visitors don't need a visa in most cases to visit for short periods regardless of Swiss permit. The question is if UK visitors with a Swiss permit can visit any Schengen country without the limited stay restriction. Is the Swiss Permit a 'Schengen passport' if you like.

Entry requirements

You can travel to other Schengen area countries for up to 90 days in any 180-day period without a visa for purposes such as tourism.

To stay longer than 90 days in any 180-day period, to work or study, or for business travel, you must meet the entry requirements set out by the country you are travelling to. This could mean applying for a visa or work permit.

Periods of time authorised bya visa or permit will not count towards your 90-day visa-free limit.

Different rules will apply to EU countries that are not part of the Schengen area. Check each country’s travel advice page for information on entry requirements.

Travel to the UK and Ireland has not changed.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-i...t_szlukns_act0

[JackieH]

The reality on the ground.

https://fb.watch/2Zj1s3MkiA/

shelves are empty too in the supermarkets of our small East Midlands town.