The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Landers]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Entry requirements

Thanks, also not my question but nevermind!

[RufusB]

	Quote:	JackieH
	The reality on the ground. https://fb.watch/2Zj1s3MkiA/ shelves are empty too in the supermarkets of our small East Midlands town.

Shelves are fine. They were provably just waiting on a delivery. But there were always going to be supply chain issues.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	JackieH
	They do- in fact they will have more and more- as they no longer can export them. A real shame as it is one of the many things we always bring two coolers with us when we drive to uk, as well as Melton Mowbray pork pies, no longer allowed either, Stilton and Red Leicester, etc.

Oh man. The whole arguments over the last 5 years could have been avoided!!! If they had only said "vote Brexit and there will be shelf after shelf of pork and apple sausages, pies, stilton and red leicester" i'd be amazed if leave hadnt got 90% of the vote!

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	JackieH
	They do- in fact they will have more and more- as they no longer can export them. A real shame as it is one of the many things we always bring two coolers with us when we drive to uk, as well as Melton Mowbray pork pies, no longer allowed either, Stilton and Red Leicester, etc.

It’s not that they can’t export them, it’s that private individuals can no longer bring them with them.
I wonder what percentage of those exported were carried by private individuals?

I know it’s the rules and all that for non-EU produce but it is fairly ridiculous, it’s not as if it all suddenly became more dangerous just because the date changed.

[RufusB]

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	It’s not that they can’t export them, it’s that private individuals can no longer bring them with them. I wonder what percentage of those exported were carried by private individuals? I know it’s the rules and all that for non-EU produce but it is fairly ridiculous, it’s not as if it all suddenly became more dangerous just because the date changed.

Ah, but it's not about private citizens. It's all kick-backs and crony-friendly contracts.

[JackieH]

Date has changed, but also the standards of meat production are no longer garanteed as per EU regs, husbandry, feeds, antiotics, etc.

And the EU has never forgotten about CJD- the reason we Britis still cannot give blood in EU or CH.

[marton]

	Quote:	Landers
	This also has no relevance/is incorrect. UK visitors don't need a visa in most cases to visit for short periods regardless of Swiss permit. The question is if UK visitors with a Swiss permit can visit any Schengen country without the limited stay restriction. Is the Swiss Permit a 'Schengen passport' if you like.

There is no such thing as "UK visitors with a Swiss permit".
If one has a Swiss permit then one is a Swiss resident, visitors do not get a Swiss permit.

UK visitors may not enter Switzerland for non-essential travel (e.g. for the purpose of tourism) from 1 January 2021 for as long as the UK is categorized as a high-risk Coronavirus country by Switzerland and these restrictions for non-essential travel remain applicable in the Schengen area, of which Switzerland is a member.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	JackieH
	And the EU has never forgotten about CJD- the reason we Britis still cannot give blood in EU or CH.

The French forgot about all the British beef they bought & sold in French Supermarkets.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	RufusB
	It's all kick-backs and crony-friendly contracts.

Do you have any evidence to support your claim? or is your hatred of the conservatives getting the better of you once again

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Date has changed, but also the standards of meat production are no longer garanteed as per EU regs, husbandry, feeds, antiotics, etc.

But that also applies to commercial exports so it is all a bit ridiculous.
Grumpy can import British cheese but we can’t bring any back with us. It’s the same cheese so what’s the difference?

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	JackieH
	And the EU has never forgotten about CJD- the reason we Britis still cannot give blood in EU or CH.

We had CJD as well, but everyone has forgotten about that.

Tom

[JackieH]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Rema...1467438794599/

Well done Sir- it is good to see that some people saw right through the lies. This link was deleted by MC, as I did not add a comment. I thought it was clear and self explanatory. And indicates that it was not, 'just the inttellectual lefities' who could see the truth. Those in the North, and all parts of the UK, fishermen, farmers, car workers, and so many more- have now changed their mind- as they see how it will all affect them so deeply. Sovereignty (whatever that means- this deal does not give the UK Sovereignty...) does not feed your family.

[RufusB]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Do you have any evidence to support your claim? or is your hatred of the conservatives getting the better of you once again

It's EF, who needs evidence? Just say it with confidence. And kindly refrain from guessing what I think. Some Tories are great. Some Labour are shits. I think Boris and Co are dishonest incompetent dicks, but I doubt that's news.

Oh yeah, friend Dido whatsit and the covid track and trace. There willbe some dodgy dealing over school food vouchers too. But I suspect you'll claim I'm deluded there too. 30 quid for a fiver'' worth of food and some unscrupulous company trousers the rest. It's not a left/right issue. It's basic human decency. Both sides are capable of that, surely.

[JackieH]

Many of our friends and relatives are Conservatives, and they are totally ashamed of this Governement, and what it happening with Covid and Brexit. Some voted remain, some voted Leave. Of those who voted Leave, only one has not changed his mind. So stop your stereotypical nonsense and personal attacks re being a 'snob', and all this extreme lefty cr**.

[RufusB]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Many of our friends and relatives are Conservatives, and they are totally ashamed of this Governement, and what it happening with Covid and Brexit. Some voted remain, some voted Leave. Of those who voted Leave, only one has not changed his mind. So stop your stereotypical nonsense and personal attacks re being a 'snob', and all this extreme lefty cr**.

But what else could be bleated if they don't keep repeating the same old shitwittery? And apparently personal attacks can't happen to the wimmins on this forum, only the dudes. It's possible I spelt "bellend" incorrectly. Someone check?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	RufusB
	It's not a left/right issue. It's basic human decency. Both sides are capable of that, surely.

That has never been clear from reading your posts.

	Quote:	JackieH
	Many of our friends and relatives are Conservatives, and they are totally ashamed of this Governement, and what it happening with Covid and Brexit. Some voted remain, some voted Leave. Of those who voted Leave, only one has not changed his mind. So stop your stereotypical nonsense and personal attacks re being a 'snob', and all this extreme lefty cr**.

IIRC not one of your friend or family were going to vote conservative at the last election, so everybody you communicate with is out of touch with the man on the Clapham omnibus, very sad really however thats the beauty of democracy.

[DarkHarlequin]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	That has never been clear from reading your posts. IIRC not one of your friend or family were going to vote conservative at the last election, so everybody you communicate with is out of touch with the man on the Clapham omnibus, very sad really however thats the beauty of democracy.

Technically the man and woman on the Clapham omnibus have voted Labour consistently for some time. Just saying 😬

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	DarkHarlequin
	Technically the man and woman on the Clapham omnibus have voted Labour consistently for some time. Just saying ��

Clapham South tube station is in a Conservative ward (Balham).

Clapham Common tube station is in a split ward (Clapham Common).

Clapham Junction is in a very strong Conservative ward (Northcote).

I stood on "the wrong side of the tracks" - Latchmere immediately to the North of Clapham Junction for the Conservatives and lost - so the politics of Clapham is something I know very well (although noting the obvious fact that Clapham Junction isn't really in Clapham).

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Many of our friends and relatives are Conservatives, and they are totally ashamed of this Governement, and what it happening with Covid and Brexit. Some voted remain, some voted Leave. Of those who voted Leave, only one has not changed his mind. So stop your stereotypical nonsense and personal attacks re being a 'snob', and all this extreme lefty cr**.

This government's popularity is holding up reasonably well considering its a crisis. If I had to guess I'd say we are looking at a Conservative majority next time around - perhaps a hung parliament but there's basically no chance of a labour majority.

Brexit support never dropped below c.40-45% even in the tortous May years. I imagine rejoin support is no more than 20-30% now. The people you know are not reflective of the country in any way shape or form.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	DarkHarlequin
	Technically the man and woman on the Clapham omnibus have voted Labour consistently for some time. Just saying 😬

They stopped when Mrs Thatcher was elected & have done well ever since.