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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 13.01.2021, 08:40
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The French will return to what they used to do - stop people at Calais and not let them board the ferry until the fines were paid.
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Old 13.01.2021, 08:47
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no more speeding fines when you floor it in Europe! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eement-UK.html
Does that go both ways? Can i now speed in the UK with an EU reg car?
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Does that go both ways? Can i now speed in the UK with an EU reg car?
According to the article, yes. However it does say if the cops pull you over in England you could well get fined on the spot. plus you'll get a kicking in the back of the police car for being forrin.
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Old 13.01.2021, 09:46
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Still waiting for that list ...
What list?

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Old 13.01.2021, 09:49
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What list?

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Ze list of names of people that voted for Brexit
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that was the idea- but this Deal does NOT give that freedom. It is based on a level playing field to ensure the UK is not able to produce goods or produce cheaper by not following same standards or rules- or tariffs will be applied.
It explicitly isn't based on a level playing field. That was the May deal. Like most (every?) trade deal there's clauses allowing tariffs in the event of a substantive change in behaviour from either side.

But you keep on ignoring me when I tell you the biggest advantage to date has been non-participation both in EMA and the EU Covid vaccine "solidarity" scheme - despite the overwhelming evidence that it's allowed a much quicker rollout. Despite the fact that the NHS is incredibly inefficient and bureaucratic.

This wasn't predictable when the brexit vote took place but is evidence that a leaner approach can be better than a slow ponderous consultative EU and can give quicker and better results. I think we will see that on trade deals going forward. We've already seen Japan, which you also pop-pood. Japanese products, of which there are many, will now be cheaper for British consumers than EU.

If you just say "let's agree to disagree", when it's 100% clear that there are tangible benefits I don't know what any of us can do. Yes there are disadvantages of brexit, but there are also advantages, and more will pop up over time.

The EU market will continue to decline as a share of world trade and at some point Britain will be able to treat the EU as just another trading partner.

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It explicitly isn't based on a level playing field.
Thats why Bo Jo has done so well, he has achieved BREXIT, having a level playing field would be absurd, the UK wanted out of the protectionist club.
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What list?

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Old 13.01.2021, 10:35
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It explicitly isn't based on a level playing field. That was the May deal. Like most (every?) trade deal there's clauses allowing tariffs in the event of a substantive change in behaviour from either side.

But you keep on ignoring me when I tell you the biggest advantage to date has been non-participation both in EMA and the EU Covid vaccine "solidarity" scheme - despite the overwhelming evidence that it's allowed a much quicker rollout. Despite the fact that the NHS is incredibly inefficient and bureaucratic.

This wasn't predictable when the brexit vote took place but is evidence that a leaner approach can be better than a slow ponderous consultative EU and can give quicker and better results. I think we will see that on trade deals going forward. We've already seen Japan, which you also pop-pood. Japanese products, of which there are many, will now be cheaper for British consumers than EU.

If you just say "let's agree to disagree", when it's 100% clear that there are tangible benefits I don't know what any of us can do. Yes there are disadvantages of brexit, but there are also advantages, and more will pop up over time.

The EU market will continue to decline as a share of world trade and at some point Britain will be able to treat the EU as just another trading partner.
The elephant in this room is that without EU funding there would not have been a Pfizer vaccine available for the UK to roll out early, excessive cherry-picking....
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The elephant in this room is that without EU funding there would not have been a Pfizer vaccine available for the UK to roll out early, excessive cherry-picking....
I've learnt that accusing others of cherry picking is what you do when your position is untenable:

a) the UK has also rolled out it's own vaccine (which is probably better suited to the acute stage of the pandemic); as has lots of other countries - India, Russia, China, US etc.

And more importantly

b)Your comment isn't relevant. I am talking about vaccine deployment not development. The fact that highly Europhilic Germany has had to do its own mini brexit and break its terms and conditions with the EU is surely evidence that the EU scheme is not working

In an alternative reality where the Pfizer vaccine didn't exist the UK would be even further ahead as the EU is nowhere near deploying the AZ vaccine whereas the UK is already up and running.
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The elephant in this room is that without EU funding there would not have been a Pfizer vaccine available for the UK to roll out early, excessive cherry-picking....
Germany give Pfizer $445 million - not the EU.
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Ze list of names of people that voted for Brexit
Is it a variation of 'Who did that?', a useless question to ask in a class?
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Is it a variation of 'Who did that?', a useless question to ask in a class?
Of course some older teachers never worked that out, likely most of those, beyond their 'best before date' have now retired
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For the record, I do think some of the EU countries will overtake the UK as:

- I think there's an advantage in being a smaller country in this kind of bureaucratic exercise
- The NHS is an embarrassing shambles and relying on letters in the post
- There is no central record of where people live in the uk - obviously a problem when you are inviting people for vaccination. Probably less of a problem for the elderly as they are more integrated into the healthcare system. The NHS certainly would have no idea where I lived before i emigrated. I don't know how they were planning on sending me a letter.

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For the record, I do think some of the EU countries will overtake the UK as:

- I think there's an advantage in being a smaller country in this kind of bureaucratic exercise
- The NHS is an embarrassing shambles and relying on letters in the post
- There is no central record of where people live in the uk - obviously a problem when you are inviting people for vaccination. Probably less of a problem for the elderly as they are more integrated into the healthcare system. The NHS certainly would have no idea where I lived before i emigrated.
I expect all of these problems will be fixed in the end.

But by and large Britain has always been a mess compared to other countries because that's the way we work. We fix things in our own time. We're better at improvisation than we are at planning. That's why things are generally a mess but never get really catastrophically bad.
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Ze list of names of people that voted for Brexit
Well, time to change the list- the first one was very short, very short indeed.

Now can anyone perhaps begin a list of the 'project fear' list, which has now become 'project reality'.
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Is it a variation of 'Who did that?', a useless question to ask in a class?
No, strangely enough, there is no comparison whatsoever. Unless of course you think that it was a bad thing and that people should own up to it - in which case ...
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Well, time to change the list- the first one was very short, very short indeed.

Now can anyone perhaps begin a list of the 'project fear' list, which has now become 'project reality'.
Doctors are saying there's going to be a shortage of irony supplements.
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Irony not required here at all- just fact, give us the facts.
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Germany give Pfizer $445 million - not the EU.
EU Advance Purchase Agreement of 200 million Pfizer doses in September 2020 financed with the Emergency Support Instrument, which has funds dedicated to the creation of a portfolio of potential vaccines with different profiles and produced by different companies.

That is more than $445 million, usually, your posts are more accurate.

Let us not forget there was the European Investment Bank EU guaranteed loan in June to provide Pfizer partner BioNTech with up to €100 million in debt financing for COVID-19 vaccine development and manufacturing.
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