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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

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Oh you are funny.
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Old 14.01.2021, 17:34
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Obviously biased in favour of Brexit according to Jackie!
And conveniently forgetting to mention that DB Schenker is owned by the German government.
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Oh you are funny.
I'm deadly serious about the bullying she has faced. She had to have security escort her while reporting. Is that a joke to you? Is it acceptable that news reporters in a Western Democracy face this kind of behaviour and have to live like this?

I don't "shoot the messenger" and go after news reporters who face impartiality requirements, and never have done when I was in politics.

Do you think my concerns are fake or invalid because I am right-of-centre. Can people on the right not have compassion or think something is morally wrong?

I get the impression you are a "Corbynista" - is this true? Complaining that a known labour supporter (Marr) is biased to the Tories is just bizzare.

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I'm deadly serious about the bullying she has faced. She had to have security escort her while reporting. Is that a joke to you? Is it acceptable that news reporters in a Western Democracy face this kind of behaviour and have to live like this?

I don't "shoot the messenger" and go after news reporters who face impartiality requirements, and never have done when I was in politics.

Do you think my concerns are fake or invalid because I am right-of-centre. Can people on the right not have compassion or think something is morally wrong?

I get the impression you are a "Corbynista" - is this true? Complaining that a known labour supporter is biased to the Tories is just bizzare.
I appreciate that Kuenssberg has been treated atrociously and unacceptably but it is a bit of a stretch to call her an impartial journalist.
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I appreciate that Kuenssberg has been treated atrociously and unacceptably but it is a bit of a stretch to call her an impartial journalist.
I find her impartial. Incidentally, my best guess would be that she is on the left. She lives in Shoreditch / Hackney way.

People on the right of politics tend to avoid living in that part of town like the plague. It has very few Conservative votes in local elections, Labour would outpoll Con nearly 10:1 - so statistically she is more likely to be Labour.
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I find her impartial. Incidentally, my best guess would be that she is on the left. She lives in Shoreditch / Hackney way.

People on the right of politics tend to avoid living in that part of town like the plague. It has very few Conservative votes in local elections, Labour would outpoll Con nearly 10:1 - so statistically she is more likely to be Labour.
I find her quite biased but potato, tomato etc.

I live in a largely Tory area. This will come as a shock, I know, but I've never voted Conservative.
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I find her quite biased but potato, tomato etc.

I live in a largely Tory area. This will come as a shock, I know, but I've never voted Conservative.
Then your location "Manchester" must be inaccurate.

Manchester council has zero Conservative councillors!

I think all the Greater Manchester boroughs are labour controlled atm (I may be wrong but that is my recollection).
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Old 14.01.2021, 18:39
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I find her quite biased but potato, tomato etc.

I live in a largely Tory area. This will come as a shock, I know, but I've never voted Conservative.
Champagne socialists are the worst.
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Champagne socialists are the worst.
Unfortunately they are filling up Graham Brady's seat (Altrincham). My guess would be that is where Rufus lives - it's heading Labour quite quickly. Swinging towards Labour in 2019 is a very bad sign.
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Incidentally a friend, Chris Clarkson, very unexpectedly won his election in Greater Manchester - but I somehow doubt Rufus lives in the former mill town area he represents (Heywood and Middleton - Rochdale / Oldham way).
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Then your location "Manchester" must be inaccurate.

Manchester council has zero Conservative councillors!

I think all the Greater Manchester boroughs are labour controlled atm (I may be wrong but that is my recollection).
Does it really matter?

Is any of this really relevant to the Brexit discussion?

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Does it really matter?

Is any if this really relevant to the Brexit discussion?
it seems many EF threads have fallen to petty schoolyard fights between a few individuals.

It is destroying EF.

Just my two centimes worth.
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I get the impression you are a "Corbynista" - is this true?
No.
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it seems many EF threads have fallen to petty schoolyard fights between a few individuals.

It is destroying EF.

Just my two centimes worth.
Totally- like the HoC- deflect, do not answer, do not discuss, do not debate, go on personal attack.
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Totally- like the HoC- deflect, do not answer, do not discuss, do not debate, go on personal attack.
If you donít like it, donít engage him/her, just put them on your ignore list.
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Totally- like the HoC.
What's the HoC?

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If you don’t like it, don’t engage him/her, just put them on your ignore list.
Hick is fairly new here- and I was hoping he would not join the mob of personal attackers- who are on ignore but groan and groan again, and some more. But it is a pity surely- why can't we discuss and not go on personal attacks all the time?

If Laura Kuensberg has had threats made against her, this is totally wrong. Accepting this does not make her less biased though.
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Then your location "Manchester" must be inaccurate.

Manchester council has zero Conservative councillors!

I think all the Greater Manchester boroughs are labour controlled atm (I may be wrong but that is my recollection).
Must it?I believe there are 9. My MP is, sadly, Tory.

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Aren't they just.

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Unfortunately they are filling up Graham Brady's seat (Altrincham). My guess would be that is where Rufus lives - it's heading Labour quite quickly. Swinging towards Labour in 2019 is a very bad sign.
Your guess would be wrong.

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Incidentally a friend, Chris Clarkson, very unexpectedly won his election in Greater Manchester - but I somehow doubt Rufus lives in the former mill town area he represents (Heywood and Middleton - Rochdale / Oldham way).
I used to live in a mill town - not that one - but although i do live in Gtr Manc, I don't live there.

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Does it really matter?

Is any of this really relevant to the Brexit discussion?
Not relevant at all. They like to pick pick pick because, I imagine, they think this is a playground. Or something. I find their fascination... peculiar. Don't you?

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it seems many EF threads have fallen to petty schoolyard fights between a few individuals.

It is destroying EF.

Just my two centimes worth.
Agreed. Constant attempts to pick arguments and belittle.

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Must it?I believe there are 9. My MP is, sadly, Tory.
Nope - there are 2 lib dem councillors in Manchester and the rest are labour. The MPs are all Labour. Thus, you don't live in Manchester.

I imagine (as you aren't in Sale/Altringham) you are probably in Stockport Council? (either Cheadle or Hazel Grove seat) - which has the following composition:

Labour 26
Liberal Democrats 26
Conservatives 8
Independent Ratepayers 3

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Why canīt we just be civil to each other and ignore a person if the comments are so abhorrent to someone?

Just my thoughts.

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