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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 31.01.2021, 22:38
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Er... nope. In this case the EU has weakened its position dreadfully. I'm no Brexit fan but in any situation you don't think is ideal there will still be the odd moment when it's ok. The EU has shown itself (albeit momentarily) to be petty with those at the top making decisions without consulting experts and taking a reasonable approach. The EU commission pissed almost everyone off, did a swift u-turn that makes it look like a complete fool and... passed power to the UK as a consequence.
The UK was lucky that the EU made this U-turn but luck is not a reliable long-term strategy.

When you wrote "The EU commission pissed almost everyone off" then who do you mean by "everyone", outside of Europe who commented?
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Old 01.02.2021, 08:34
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Does he? We must have read a different thread.

Btw, could you please point out those critics of von der Leyen? Apart from the "usual suspects".
Most of the northern European media, Ms von der Leyen is taking a kicking in her native Germany. Japan, Canada and South Korea are also angry at EU threats to restrict vaccine exports. It's a complete shambles. Also, the more information that comes out it sounds as if the EU don't even have a legal position against AstraZeneca either.
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What has he been doing lately btw (politically)? Apart from this I haven't heard anything about him for quite some time.
A lot basically. His org, the Tony Blair Foundation (I think its that) have been doing stuff around international middle east peace (ironic) and he was big on the Corona stuff incredibly. He's not in the headlines but he's a big player still. Kind of like Mandleson - not there, but there.
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The UK was lucky that the EU made this U-turn but luck is not a reliable long-term strategy.

When you wrote "The EU commission pissed almost everyone off" then who do you mean by "everyone", outside of Europe who commented?
Why lucky? It wasn't going to affect the supply chain of vaccines into mainland UK. The EU u-turn was, politically (and arguably morally, but meh, politicians) the only option if there wasn't going to be some horrid bureaucratic nightmare.

My usage of "almost everyone" was deliberate hyperbolic-idiom-for-effect based on what I've read about the reactions, both within the EU commission, and from UK leaders.

Key word "almost".
No, in this instance I didn't get their names/addresses.
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Old 01.02.2021, 12:39
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There is however no denying that Johnson himself, 2 weeks earlier, said he would have no hesitation in invoking art 16 if supply chains to NI were affected.

2 wrongs do not make a right, for sure. But it is there for all to see.
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Old 01.02.2021, 13:05
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The events of the past week have really sorted the wheat from the chaff. Those who accept that EU Commission has made a royal cock-up, and those (fortunately few) zealots still trying to defend/deflect their actions
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Old 01.02.2021, 13:21
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Not at all- it is totally possible to accept the EU made a mistake (and trying to understand the background and why) - and at the same time not turning to nationalistic syringe waving- and very destructive vaccine nationalism.
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Old 01.02.2021, 13:30
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Not at all- it is totally possible to accept the EU made a mistake (and trying to understand the background and why) - and at the same time not turning to nationalistic syringe waving- and very destructive vaccine nationalism.
EU played the bully, they thought they could get away with it. All to cover up their poor negotiating & procurement programme.
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Old 01.02.2021, 13:34
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There is however no denying that Johnson himself, 2 weeks earlier, said he would have no hesitation in invoking art 16 if supply chains to NI were affected.

2 wrongs do not make a right, for sure. But it is there for all to see.
Absolutely, but one would hope he would attempt it with a little more integrity.
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Old 01.02.2021, 13:49
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The events of the past week have really sorted the wheat from the chaff. Those who accept that EU Commission has made a royal cock-up, and those (fortunately few) zealots still trying to defend/deflect their actions
Even this pro-EU reporter from the Irish Times is acknowledging the cock-up(s).

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This columnist has, I hope, impeccable pro-EU credentials. I have yielded to no one in my anti-Brexit polemics. So I survey the damage the EU is doing to itself with great sadness. The vaccine war has, like no other event, united Britain against Brussels. And I worry about yet more inadequacy in the face of crisis.

The EU flailed around – failed – during the Great Financial Crisis, causing harm to countries like Greece and Ireland. Fiscal austerity was a mistake, compounded by monetary errors from the ECB. It was quite a moment to see the FT earlier this year apologise for its role in calling for austerity a decade ago.

EU failure in the wake of yet another crisis will have consequences. And failure isn’t just about vaccines.

The EU made much last year of its €750 billion fiscal boost to economies laid low by the pandemic. Relative to anything the US is doing, this is too small. Relative to anything it should be doing, it is too small. Already, there are mutterings about how the deployment of the cash is too slow.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...n-eu-1.4472302

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Embarrassing and the only time I can remember the Unionists and Sinn Fein speaking with one voice.

EU bureaucracy is suffocating and aimed at keeping people in Public Sector jobs and off the dole queues, while protecting vested interest.

You are 4 times more likely to get a jab in the North than the South. That's literally a killer fact.

The UK will be out of lock down and getting back to normal by May. That won't happen here till just before Christmas, which will finish some businesses, further damage mental health and hit public finances. But as long as the bureaucrats in Brussels are cosy, we are all OK.
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Old 01.02.2021, 13:54
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EU played the bully, they thought they could get away with it. All to cover up their poor negotiating & procurement programme.
Von der Leyen, no positive or negative crit on her personally, but every time I see her image, I feel like she is a cyborg sent by Skynet
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Maybe someone should have told the EU’s press office, that if you want to calm thing down in Ireland, saying “the only one who doesn’t make mistakes is the Pope” is a tad, erm, risky?
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Old 01.02.2021, 20:40
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Ouch! And this before Friday. Guns a-blazing...

https://www.spiegel.de/international...9-b76e64701802

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Most of the northern European media, Ms von der Leyen is taking a kicking in her native Germany. Japan, Canada and South Korea are also angry at EU threats to restrict vaccine exports. It's a complete shambles. Also, the more information that comes out it sounds as if the EU don't even have a legal position against AstraZeneca either.
Links?
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Links?
for example: https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...ions-1.4472449

but in many newspapers today.
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for example: https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...ions-1.4472449

but in many newspapers today.
Yeah, it was expected. The whole vaccines affair is a pita. On the one hand you have EU countries crying they don't have sufficient vaccines, on the other hand you have the rest of the world crying against EU "vaccine protectionism".
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Ouch! And this before Friday. Guns a-blazing...

https://www.spiegel.de/international...9-b76e64701802

It looks like she's finished. She can hardly use this excuse this time.

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It looks like she's finished. She can hardly use this excuse this time.
She's worse than Trump. The only excuse we have as EU citizens is that nobody voted for her.
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She's worse than Trump. The only excuse we have as EU citizens is that nobody voted for her.
She was critical to border closures in spring 2020, when states had to act on their own, EU lagging behind. Apparently closures disturb citizens' lives. Maybe she thinks vaccinating disturbs citizens' lives.

Czech independent press did not support her getting in the office, there was a big upheaval.
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Yeah, it was expected. The whole vaccines affair is a pita. On the one hand you have EU countries crying they don't have sufficient vaccines, on the other hand you have the rest of the world crying against EU "vaccine protectionism".
They've not really been protectionist. They've threatened to be, temporarily imposed S16 then instantly withdrew it.
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