The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 1462

st2lemans · #**29221** 03.02.2021, 19:41

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	What I can’t believe is that the remain campaign didn’t make the NI border a real issue during the referendum. I don’t think I even remember hearing it mentioned. It’s almost as if everyone only realised afterwards that it was an impossible situation to solve!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5il1gXFmEY

Tom

JackieH · #**29222** 03.02.2021, 20:15

Arlene Foster and Paisley and DUP now started campaign to Keep Ulster British and to scrap Northern Ireland Brexit protocol. That didn't take long!

bowlie · #**29223** 03.02.2021, 20:23

	Quote:	JackieH
	Arlene Foster and Paisley and DUP now started campaign to Keep Ulster British and to scrap Northern Ireland Brexit protocol. That didn't take long!

No problem, but that dictates a hard border. I say go for it, CH has a hard(ish) border with the EU.

Jim2007 · #**29224** 03.02.2021, 23:04

	Quote:	JackieH
	Arlene Foster and Paisley and DUP now started campaign to Keep Ulster British and to scrap Northern Ireland Brexit protocol. That didn't take long!

The DUP could not give a crap about the protocol nor BREXIT for that matter, they are just after anything which will enable them to have the GFA cancelled.

marton · #**29225** 03.02.2021, 23:38

	Quote:	bowlie
	No problem, but that dictates a hard border. I say go for it, CH has a hard(ish) border with the EU.

Means ruling out a US trade deal.

JackieH · #**29226** 03.02.2021, 23:48

	Quote:	marton
	Means ruling out a US trade deal.

and big trouble, Troubles even. But we all knew it just could not work- made no sense whatsoever and would very fast lead to ... se above.

RufusB · #**29227** 04.02.2021, 13:12

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	What I can’t believe is that the remain campaign didn’t make the NI border a real issue during the referendum. I don’t think I even remember hearing it mentioned. It’s almost as if everyone only realised afterwards that it was an impossible situation to solve!

They did, AFAIK. It was dismissed as part of Project Fear.

JackieH · #**29228** 04.02.2021, 13:25

Today on Twitter, some person (hmmm) from Kent interviewed about the awful mess in the Dover region at the moment, and the destruction of part of historical Dover Cliffs for Customs' and huge swathes to Kent for carparks, etc, etc.

He said 'if remainers knew all this would happen, why didn't they say anything in the run up to the vote.

We all share the responsibility for Brexit' !!!

No we do NOT, and yes we DID warn- and you and the gutter Press called it Project Fear.

I shall not share responsibility for any of this, not a single iota. Thank you.

TonyClifton · #**29229** 04.02.2021, 13:46

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	What? That's not the same thing at all. Not even nearly: 1) Civil servants don't have executive power and aren't party political - so that's not comparable to the Commission. 2) If you vote Conservative, you are hoping for Boris as PM and Conservative ministers. If you vote Labour then whoever is Labour leader this week and Labour ministers. Sure it would be even more democratic if you could individually vote in ministers in a presidential style system. Not since 1974 has a party that was defeated in the popular vote ended up picking the prime minister (and that was a minority government that only lasted a few months - before that it was 1951). So I'd give the UK system a C+ on democracy. Functional but could be significantly better. But you don't get a vote at all on the Commission. That's an F. Heck - even MEPs don't really get to decide on who the Commissioner is. They just get a yes/no vote. If they want person X and that person isn't nominated by the Council of the European Union, tough. In 2019 the EPP's favoured candidate wasn't even put forward as I understand it. (most popular group)

Just imagine for a moment that the systems were comparable or similar (which as you've already pointed out, they jolly well aren't), under what realms of logic does one bad layer of government excuse an extra bad layer of government?!

Island Monkey · #**29230** 04.02.2021, 14:01

	Quote:	bowlie
	No problem, but that dictates a hard border. I say go for it, CH has a hard(ish) border with the EU.

Yeah, go for it

..... screw up the Good Friday Agreement and go back to the days of IRA attacks

JackieH · #**29231** 04.02.2021, 14:05

How can you compare with Switzerland? Switzerland has agreements which basically make them part of Single market, are part of Schengen and have Free Movement. Really?

As for article 16- Johnsons invoqued it mid January, was before Ursula VdL did.
It was clear to anyone with 2.5 brain cells that the UK/NI border and/or NI/Ireland border could not work- there for all to see.

https://www.facebook.com/67987986911...3087399465439/

Anyone who has relatives, friends, from NI/Ulster - will know that it is a recipe for disaster and will not be accepted- and neither will they accept to unite- not for at least 3 or more generations. And how dangerous the situation is. Partly too because that border is linked with drugs, money laundering, mafia, and so much more. How naïve can people be.

st2lemans · #**29232** 04.02.2021, 14:13

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	Yeah, go for it ..... screw up the Good Friday Agreement and go back to the days of IRA attacks

Better than the current breed of terrorists!

Tom

st2lemans · #**29233** 04.02.2021, 14:15

	Quote:	JackieH
	How can you compare with Switzerland? Switzerland has agreements which basically make them part of Single market, are part of Schengen and have Free Movement. Really?

Who cares about Schengen?

The UK was never a part of that nonsense, nor the EUR!

Tom

TonyClifton · #**29234** 04.02.2021, 14:15

	Quote:	JackieH
	As for article 16- Johnsons invoqued it mid January, was before Ursula VdL did. It was clear to anyone with 2.5 brain cells that the UK/NI border and/or NI/Ireland border could not work- there for all to see. https://www.facebook.com/67987986911...3087399465439/

I think you need to expand your media consumption beyond Facebook, this simply isn't true.

marton · #**29235** 04.02.2021, 14:22

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	What? That's not the same thing at all. Not even nearly: 1) Civil servants don't have executive power and aren't party political - so that's not comparable to the Commission. 2) If you vote Conservative, you are hoping for Boris as PM and Conservative ministers. If you vote Labour then whoever is Labour leader this week and Labour ministers. Sure it would be even more democratic if you could individually vote in ministers in a presidential style system. Not since 1974 has a party that was defeated in the popular vote ended up picking the prime minister (and that was a minority government that only lasted a few months - before that it was 1951). So I'd give the UK system a C+ on democracy. Functional but could be significantly better. But you don't get a vote at all on the Commission. That's an F. Heck - even MEPs don't really get to decide on who the Commissioner is. They just get a yes/no vote. If they want person X and that person isn't nominated by the Council of the European Union, tough. In 2019 the EPP's favoured candidate wasn't even put forward as I understand it. (most popular group)

EU Commissioners do not have executive powers, the Treaties provide the Commission with the power to make recommendations or deliver reports and opinions.

fatmanfilms · #**29236** 04.02.2021, 14:45

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I think you need to expand your media consumption beyond Facebook, this simply isn't true.

Especially as she blocks anyone who does not agree with her, so clearly her feed is an echo chamber.

RufusB · #**29237** 04.02.2021, 15:20

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Better than the current breed of terrorists! Tom

Seriously? I know the US didn't really take the IRA seriously for a long time but... Really?

st2lemans · #**29238** 04.02.2021, 15:24

	Quote:	RufusB
	Seriously? I know the US didn't really take the IRA seriously for a long time but... Really?

The IRA would send warnings.

Tom

JackieH · #**29239** 04.02.2021, 16:13

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I think you need to expand your media consumption beyond Facebook, this simply isn't true.

You mean this video of IDS is fake- photoshopped and voiced over? I'd recognise his voice anywhere for sure- it grates so much.

Is it also not true that Gove is now saying the problems with EU border, and UK/NI/Ireland/EU even more so, are not teething problems, and he- who held all the cards, every single one of them- is now begging the EU for an extension until the end of 2023?

How delusional can anyone be.

JackieH · #**29240** 04.02.2021, 16:26

It was always clear that this so called Brexit, didn't mean Brexit- but a very different Brexit for many separate entities of Brexiters. And that Brexit was so so vague, no-one, in either faction and beyond, had no idea what they were voting for. Yes, I know, Brexiters will shout back, on and on, and say they did know exactly what they were voting for- even though they all voted for a myriad of different things. Brexit even in the Conservative party meant something totally different if wou followed the ERG, or the one nation Conservatives, or on t'other side, their alt-right friends- and beyond that- the ex Labour voters, totally desillusioned with what was happening to their decimated communities- who voted for Brexit as a reaction. And of course, those in NI, like Foster and Paisley and the guy in the video below- who took the large sums of money and accepted the promises they knew could never ever be fulfilled.

https://fb.watch/3rOzDUNE3-/

and are now complaining bitterly about what THEY voted for and took the money for. Beyond belief.