The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Castro
	Also bear in mind we are in a 6 month grace period for imports, so once that ends the chaos can begin in both directions. Civil servants have helpfully suggested companies set up subsidiaries in the EU, which is great if you're a major seafood wholesaler, not so much if you sell Fudge from a corner shop in Devon.

I doubt it, the fish still have to go through the export/import process...

[grumpygrapefruit]

	Quote:	Castro
	Also bear in mind we are in a 6 month grace period for imports, so once that ends the chaos can begin in both directions. Civil servants have helpfully suggested companies set up subsidiaries in the EU, which is great if you're a major seafood wholesaler, not so much if you sell Fudge from a corner shop in Devon.

It's already started in the other direction to. One of my suppliers in the UK makes Bitter Orange Marmalade, they normally have deliveries of Seville oranges from Spain almost every week. They haven't had one this year, it's a combination of the suppliers not knowing how to complete the paperwork, one one just can not be bothered to do it.

They also make a range of fruit Chutney that I buy. There's big confusion about the paperwork, about whether they have to list the country of origin of all ingredients in the jar (and I guess some will have fruit from the UK, EU, even the West Indies or India in the case of Mango) and if they do, is it worth the bother to export it?

[amogles]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	What about the British, they guys in the street? Would they even care if NI left and united with Eire?

I don't think the average Joe in the UK has strong feelings about NI one way or the other.

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	I doubt it, the fish still have to go through the export/import process...

Unless they unload them off the boat directly in the EU rather than in the UK!

Tom

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Unless they unload them off the boat directly in the EU rather than in the UK! Tom

Lateral thinking, hence the EU subsidiary.

[marton]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Unless they unload them off the boat directly in the EU rather than in the UK! Tom

Some are doing this but depending on their fishing ground it can be a long journey which reduces the time when they can actually fish.

[amogles]

	Quote:	grumpygrapefruit
	It's already started in the other direction to. One of my suppliers in the UK makes Bitter Orange Marmalade, they normally have deliveries of Seville oranges from Spain almost every week. They haven't had one this year, it's a combination of the suppliers not knowing how to complete the paperwork, one one just can not be bothered to do it. They also make a range of fruit Chutney that I buy. There's big confusion about the paperwork, about whether they have to list the country of origin of all ingredients in the jar (and I guess some will have fruit from the UK, EU, even the West Indies or India in the case of Mango) and if they do, is it worth the bother to export it?

A friend of mine who is an orange producer in Spain (albeit only a small local one) says it's been a tough year because of the weather and various pests and things hurting the crops. Spain had to bring in large quantities of citrus from South America in 2020.

Which might partially explain their reluctance to export.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Lateral thinking, hence the EU subsidiary.

Has to be carefully managed, boats belonging to an EU subsidiary probably have issues fishing in UK waters.

[JackieH]

https://twitter.com/sueperkins/statu...s%2F08%2F02%2F

Remember? Seems they have

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Will be dismissed by the usual because it is from the Guardian - but it says it as it is : ''British exporters sending goods into the EU have been similarly hit by border frictions. For a small exporter, the costs of the regulatory checks, filling in long and complex forms and meeting new rules around VAT can be crippling. Some businesses have simply had to stop exporting to the EU because of these costs, putting jobs at risk. New rules for shellfish and livestock have led to a dramatic drop in trade. The Road Haulage Association reports that export loads to the EU have been reduced by as much as 68% and that there are only around 10,000 of the 50,000 customs agents who are needed to cope with the flow of goods to the EU. This will have a detrimental impact on the viability of the road haulage industry, also affecting businesses that rely on imports of goods coming into the UK: six in 10 firms are already reporting delays in shipments coming from the EU. Ministers have responded with claims that these are just “teething problems”. They are ignoring industry voices who point out that many are structural problems that will not go away within weeks, or even months, without a significant renegotiation. Little wonder that business representatives say the biggest problem they have with the government at the moment is denial of reality. Calls for meaningful engagement from the government to find solutions go unheeded, even as government trade advisers are encouraging exporters to set up separate companies inside the EU to get around export charges. Ministers simply continue to claim that Brexit is going well. This is the inevitable cost of Brexit. People have spent their lives painstakingly building up a livelihood, only to find it wiped out almost overnight by a government that has eagerly embraced new barriers to trade. They are existing in a warped reality, where it suits neither the government nor the opposition to acknowledge the gravity of their situation. And so, even as jobs disappear and incomes plummet, there will be little political accountability for the flawed political choices that have brought us here.,,

	Quote:	Polymath
	I wouldn't dismiss the Guardian out of hand, I've had great success with a number of recipes they've published. This is alarmist nonsense, however. Full of exaggerated claims. Hogwash. Many of the temporary challenges that exist will be overcome through resourcefulness and entrepreneurial endeavours simply resulting in a new paradigm. I don't read too much into it but incidentally GBP has strengthened considerably since the start of the year.

Turns out it was fake news!

More details here:

TRAFFIC CONTINUES TO FLOW SMOOTHLY THROUGH THE PORT OF DOVER POST-BREXIT TRANSITION

http://www.doverport.co.uk/about/new...the-por/13575/

U.K.-EU Freight Trade Back to 90% of Normal, Port of Dover Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-of-dover-says

	Quote:
	Freight traffic through the Port of Dover is running at 90% of usual levels, better than had been feared amid new Brexit red tape and another round of social restrictions to contain the coronavirus. The port’s figures are higher than a U.K. government estimate of 82%, which was provided in response to claims from the Road Haulage Association that truck cargoes to the European Union were down 68% last month compared to a year earlier.

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Turns out it was fake news! More details here: TRAFFIC CONTINUES TO FLOW SMOOTHLY THROUGH THE PORT OF DOVER POST-BREXIT TRANSITION http://www.doverport.co.uk/about/new...the-por/13575/ U.K.-EU Freight Trade Back to 90% of Normal, Port of Dover Says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-of-dover-says

From your link

	Quote:
	David Emerson, a director at SEKO Logistics, said new paperwork requirements had made freight forwarding “very difficult,” especially given congestion at Felixstowe and Southampton ports. He estimated that volumes for parcels were up to 70% lower than last year.

[marton]

A Bn per day EU carbon trading market is set to move from London to Amsterdam in the latest knock-on effect of Brexit on the UK's financial services industry.

[amogles]

	Quote:	marton
	Has to be carefully managed, boats belonging to an EU subsidiary probably have issues fishing in UK waters.

The fishing fleet will be too busy bootlegging vaccines, ham sandwiches and racing horses to bother with actual fish.

[st2lemans]

"Brexit effect: No custard creams for Brits in Europe"

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/business-55985956

Tom

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	"Brexit effect: No custard creams for Brits in Europe" https://www.bbc.com/news/av/business-55985956 Tom

I don’t like custard creams anyway.

That store manager was one of the scouts in my troop when I was a scout leader in Belgium.

The Brits must really regret Brexit now Borell has shown the Russians who is the dominant country in Europe

[RufusB]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	The Brits must really regret Brexit now Borell has shown the Russians who is the dominant country in Europe

Especially those Brits who never bloody voted for it in the first place.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	RufusB
	Especially those Brits who never bloody voted for it in the first place.

Just 16,141,241 voted remain out of 46,500,001 registered voters so about 35% of voters.
I would have never made such a comparison had the reverse argument been made in this thread more than once.

[amogles]

	Quote:	RufusB
	Especially those Brits who never bloody voted for it in the first place.

The Spanish voted for Borrell, not the Brits.

And I think you will find that far fewer Spaniards ever voted for him than Brits ever voted for Brexit.

[RufusB]

	Quote:	amogles
	The Spanish voted for Borrell, not the Brits. And I think you will find that far fewer Spaniards ever voted for him than Brits ever voted for Brexit.

Which is why I used "it" not "him".