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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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71 pages of red tape for on lorry of fish. And problem is, just like for cheese, several exporters share 1 lorry to cut on cost, etc- it used to work


https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55887043
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71 pages of red tape for on lorry of fish. And problem is, just like for cheese, several exporters share 1 lorry to cut on cost, etc- it used to work


https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55887043
I posted this 25 hours ago!

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What about this one?


https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status...137255936?s=20

so is he a massive liar, or totally incompetent- or both?

From frictionless Trade - to Tradeless friction
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Bag of fleas? NI is, has been, always will be, a hot potato, politically speaking.
That's much better put, thanks. I didn't mean to disrespect.

So, from what jim2007 writes, there's no way the Irish would pay €8bln in subsidies to NI each year like the British do, once they give it a thought.

What about the British, they guys in the street? Would they even care if NI left and united with Eire?
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Thank you Music, for explaining clearly why it is not a good idea to go back to those good old days. Who on earth would actually choose to have to go through all this red tape, checks, tariffs, extra costs? Who would vote for this nightmare? Perfectly illustrated by your post above.
Yes. I'd like to thank her too, the whole process brings back memories from the time my brother had a small import-export company.
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What about the British, they guys in the street? Would they even care if NI left and united with Eire?
I don’t think the English, Scottish and Welsh would generally mind if NI wanted to unite with Ireland. But it’s not about them, it’s about what the people of NI want, and many want to remain British (like Gibraltar, Falklands etc) .... but a proportion want to be Irish.
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Old 06.02.2021, 22:23
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Perhaps you had not noticed that both Switzerland & the UK are both Non EU. Importing to CH has always been a pain even if just from France.

I think you need to campaign for Switzerland to join the EU.
No it hasn't, I did it for years myself, driving my own van over, through France, Germany and sometimes even Austria. It was always very simple. Do you have any personal experiences as to why you say it has always been a pain?
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Who would vote for this nightmare?
I would, in a heartbeat!

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Well a few would- same who would have voted for Turmp perhaps.

I can however assure you, 100%, that if people in the UK would be asked to vote now, the Brexit vote would be about 20%, if that.
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Do you have any personal experiences as to why you say it has always been a pain?
I do, importing motorcycle parts commercially pre and post the bilaterals, I have seen no change.

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Well a few would- same who would have voted for Turmp perhaps.
The only reason to vote for Trump was, and has always been, because of the horrid alternatives.

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I do, importing motorcycle parts commercially pre and post the bilaterals, I have seen no change.

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Never thought of those as 'live animal products', somehow- weird that

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Parts is parts.

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Nope- did you read Grumpy's post. Live animal products are facing veterinary and so many other checks they never did before. FACT.

Also small importers of said animal products in Switzerland have to team up with or buy from, larger importers that import from UK to EU- then on to Switzerland for part of the loads.
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Last year when a company wanted to export any animal based food products (meat, cheese, fish etc) to an EU country or CH from the UK they just had to email or fax the paperwork to an export agent at Dover, or wherever they were transiting through, and once there pick up a transfer document and the truck would be on their way.

Now, the UK, as in any country exporting to the EU and CH (and although CH isn't a full member of the EU, it is in the single market) all animal based food products have to have a Veterinary test (to check for Listeria etc) before transit documents can be handed over as part of the export documents. These tests (certainly for cheese, they may differ for other products) cost £180.00 and can take a few days.

If a pallet of 20 or 30 cheeses is being sent from the UK, and if one of those cheeses has the wrong paperwork, or the wrong box has been ticked, then the whole pallet is returned - and that is what has been happening last month. And it's not EU customs officials who are sending the pallets back (as was claimed by a Brexit voting customer of mine last week - just to spite the UK he said) it's the UK based export agents who cannot issue Transfer documents if the paperwork is not correct.

I'm now talking to a couple of Irish cheese wholesalers about getting a pallet of cheese over from there - there are some amazing artisan cheeses from the south (some I often stocked) and of course there is no testing or extra paperwork required to get it to CH. Lucky Ireland, she's in the EU

A good friend of mine is a vet in the UK (although she works with live animals) and she told me the Veterinary testing centres are overwhelmed, and there was little or no preparation last year to be ready for the extra demand. And food exporters in the main seemed to not know that testing would be required prior to exporting.

But it's not just animal based products that are having trouble getting through. A large wholesaler and Cash and Carry in the UK (they supply lots of small grocery stores in the UK and export to the EU) stopped taking orders from customers on the mainland at the end of the 1st week of Jan. The reason being more than half the pallets they sent out, or were collected by customers transport agents, were returned to their warehouses as not all of the paperwork was correct. I know one company here in CH who has 2 pallets stuck there, paid for in advance and no idea when they will be cleared for export.
So it would seem it’s both a lack of resources and an inability to complete documentation...

We can expect people to improve their documentation process over time, but unless the government increases the resources for testing, it’s not going get much better...
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Road haulage association reporting that exports from the UK to the EU are down 68%. Will be interesting when the official figures come out.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...8-since-brexit
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So it would seem it’s both a lack of resources and an inability to complete documentation...

We can expect people to improve their documentation process over time, but unless the government increases the resources for testing, it’s not going get much better...
Why would the government be responsible for 'increases the resources for testing'
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Why would the government be responsible for 'increases the resources for testing'
Because unlike you they need to stop sticking their heads in the sand and deal with the farce they have created. If only you’d coined the phrase “Local Britain”, you’d have a roaring success on your hands.
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Road haulage association reporting that exports from the UK to the EU are down 68%. Will be interesting when the official figures come out.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...8-since-brexit
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From 21st April 2021 the current health certificates for UK export of animal products will not be valid and products that are currently exempt from the scope of health certificates (and therefore vet checks) will now be in scope, and will require an EHC (export health certificate)

The UK Government have not published guidance on this yet, and a trade assocation is pressing Government for the new EHCs.
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Why would the government be responsible for 'increases the resources for testing'
The UK Government provides funding for training people to support testing.
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