The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[bowlie]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I thought UK had to accept most EU laws

You don’t mean those Terrible, Terrible EU laws that the UK had a role in developing, fine tuning and adopting in the Parliament, the Commission and the Council?

[JackieH]

If you want to export stuff to other countries- you have to accept their norms and standards, simple. Or you don't- and the markets close to you. simple. And a level playing field, so your own producers, workers, etc, etc- do not suffer from massive undercutting, be it in rights, salaries, jobs and also product safety, husbandry and bio security, and so much more.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	JackieH
	If you want to export stuff to other countries- you have to accept their norms and standards, simple. Or you don't- and the markets close to you. simple.

Not talking about exports, things like the 'level playing field', protectionism for inefficient countries. EU is about 16% of world trade, plenty of scope with the other 84%.
For online purchases buying in the USA is now often cheaper for Brits than buying from the EU, I used to order German made car parts for my Porsche from the USA when I lived in Switzerland, it was the cheapest source after shipping & tax.

[HickvonFrick]

	Quote:
	You think the UK was governed by Brussels?

In part.

	Quote:
	You think the UK was governed by Brussels?

No but he likes to pretent the House of Lords and the Monarchy don't exist.

[JackieH]

Being ruled by Murdoch, Bannon and all, isn't very palatable at all. Give me EU with our representatives at the top table to form and influence decisions.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Being ruled by Murdoch, Bannon and all, isn't very palatable at all. Give me EU with our representatives at the top table to form and influence decisions.

It is a little ironic that a large number of the EU26 favours the UK view on socioeconomic matters. The BENELUX hates being pushed around by FR/DE as do the Scandinavians/Finland and Baltic States. Cyprus, Malta and to a lessor extent Ireland are more in the UK camp. Actually everyone hates the French.

If only the UK actually tried to lead in Brussels we would have a much different EU today.

But rather than sending their very best to Brussels, they sent a load of grifters and has beens.

[JackieH]

Yes indeed-people like Farage who never ever bothered to do his job- or even attend! And now goes on and on about the demise of fisheries.

Again, you could not make it up ...

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Yes indeed-people like Farage who never ever bothered to do his job- or even attend! And now goes on and on about the demise of fisheries. Again, you could not make it up ...

You & your friends were foolish to view Farage as useless & lazy. It's useless & lazy people like Farage that change history.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	You & your friends were foolish to view Farage as useless & lazy. It's useless & lazy people like Farage that change history.

And not always for the better.

If I had my choice of who would lead Europe, it wouldn't be Germany or France.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	bowlie
	And not always for the better. If I had my choice of who would lead Europe, it wouldn't be Germany or France.

I think Germany would be an unacceptable choice, they tried to run Europe twice before. France is ultimately run by the lorry drivers so that would be a no from me.

[Merrylegs]

	Quote:	bowlie
	And not always for the better. If I had my choice of who would lead Europe, it wouldn't be Germany or France.

So who would you choose Bowlie?

[bowlie]

	Quote:	Merrylegs
	So who would you choose Bowlie?

Well, when I was spending much of my working time dealing with Brussels, I would have said the UK. These days perhaps the Isle of Man?

[amogles]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Yes indeed-people like Farage who never ever bothered to do his job

he was just about the only politician in the Eu, ever, to have deliverer on the one promise on which he was elected.

He was elected to get a job done, one job. Not to attend endless irrelevant meetings.

Maybe others could take a leaf out of his book.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	amogles
	he was just about the only politician in the Eu, ever, to have deliverer on the one promise on which he was elected. He was elected to get a job done, one job. Not to attend endless irrelevant meetings. Maybe others could take a leaf out of his book.

I suppose you don’t know much about the European Parliament, except what you read in the daily mail.

[amogles]

	Quote:	JackieH
	If you want to export stuff to other countries- you have to accept their norms and standards, simple. Or you don't- and the markets close to you. simple. And a level playing field, so your own producers, workers, etc, etc- do not suffer from massive undercutting, be it in rights, salaries, jobs and also product safety, husbandry and bio security, and so much more.

welcome to the Trump club.

[amogles]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Not talking about exports, things like the 'level playing field', protectionism for inefficient countries. EU is about 16% of world trade, plenty of scope with the other 84%. For online purchases buying in the USA is now often cheaper for Brits than buying from the EU, I used to order German made car parts for my Porsche from the USA when I lived in Switzerland, it was the cheapest source after shipping & tax.

I recently ordered some tools from a Chinese seller (not Alibaba) because they had them much cheaper than any EU supplier for an identical item, even if shipping and duties were included. I assumed this was probably because they came from China anyway so i might as well buy at source.

On opening the box I found it was made in Poland.

[amogles]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I think Germany would be an unacceptable choice, they tried to run Europe twice before. France is ultimately run by the lorry drivers so that would be a no from me.

France has since the demise of Napoleon for the most part been governed on the principle that the cog that squeaks the loudest gets the most grease. The net result has been all cogs to squealing as loudly as possible and a chronic shortage of grease.

The lorry drivers are only one of those cogs.

To some extent the French style of governance has been unthinkingly copied by the EU, with the added attraction being that the French could play with the Germans' money rather their own.

[marton]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Well, when I was spending much of my working time dealing with Brussels, I would have said the UK. These days perhaps the Isle of Man?

In fact, it was a major missed opportunity for the UK. If the UK had ever had a leader who looked outwards instead of inwards then the UK could, and should, have been leading the EU.

Probably the best indication of the UK failure to take the EU seriously was Farage and his bunch of UKIP clowns winning so many EU parliament seats.

Karma is after Farage making so much political capital about the UK fisherman they have probably come off the worst in the post-Brexit consequences. Turkeys voting for Christmas again.

[JackieH]

Seeing a recent photo of him recently, living in a barely furnished bedsit without a picture of photo anywhere, and looking grey/yellow and very drawn- he certainly does not look very well. Have the fags and booze + failure finally caught up with him?

Country File tonight - mind boggling to hear that some of the fishermen interviewed are actually surprised that Brexit didn't provide them with an improvement in their businesses. One of them said "I voted to leave the EU, in order to increase our exports to Europe".

Where is that phrase about not being able to make it up! People are truly and quickly waking up to the fact they have been good and properly done (could think of even better words).