The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[bowlie]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Just 16,141,241 voted remain out of 46,500,001 registered voters so about 35% of voters. I would have never made such a comparison had the reverse argument been made in this thread more than once.

Sorry. Your logic shows that 65% of registered voters did not vote out. Why is being shoved down their throat?

[RufusB]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Sorry. Your logic shows that 65% of registered voters did not vote out. Why is being shoved down their throat?

Because unless you're buying the "Brexit is bestest" echo on this thread it is Vitally Important to Prove Folk Wrong at every opportunity. Regardless of small things like facts.

I think the fact that "Project Fear" should probably be renamed, retrospectively, "Project Reality-we-warned-you-about-this" is smarting just a tad.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Sorry. Your logic shows that 65% of registered voters did not vote out. Why is being shoved down their throat?

Because 65% did not vote to remain

[JackieH]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Sorry. Your logic shows that 65% of registered voters did not vote out. Why is being shoved down their throat?

Only way is to ask people to vote again, now that they know the facts, the reality, the fraud, the interference, the massive lies...

even Rees-Mogg said, even before 1st of Jan and the recent debâcle with imports, exports (aint' seen nothing yet though ... as not fully kicked in yet)- that Remain would win hands down.

[RufusB]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Only way is to ask people to vote again, now that they know the facts, the reality, the fraud, the interference, the massive lies... even Rees-Mogg said, even before 1st of Jan and the recent debâcle with imports, exports (aint' seen nothing yet though ... as not fully kicked in yet)- that Remain would win hands down.

And that's why the non-binding referendum went through and why they won't put it to the vote again: Brexit benefits too many wealthy influential people.

IMO. No I don't have links.

[JackieH]

When furlough stops, more jobs are lost by the bucket load and people are homeless as they lose rent protection- farming, fishing, and most industries down the tube, from one end of spectrum to t'other (financial services too) - the **** will truly hit the fan. The Covid/Brexit combo is diabolical.

People will 'vote' one way or another- be it in the streets or in the ballot box.

[marton]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	"Magor" aka mishuge means nuts, in the native language of Budweis (Budovicium in Latin). www.wordsense.eu/magor/

I once worked eight miles from Magor that is a town in Monmouthshire near the Welsh border, Welsh name: Magwyr usually translated as 'a wall'.

If I remember correctly it had a pub that was open all day to serve steelworkers at a time when opening hours were heavily restricted.

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Only way is to ask people to vote again.

They can vote 1000 times, the result will not change despite your personal wishes.

Tom

[RufusB]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	They can vote 1000 times, the result will not change despite your personal wishes. Tom

Oh i think it might now.

[JackieH]

just wait a couple more months for it to be seen in all its glory and be fully operative, and the above mentioned things to happen.

[JackieH]

Priti Patel is celebrating her new points based system.

People coming to the UK legally from now on will have to pay an application fee ranging from £610 to £1,408, an extra healthcare surcharge of £624 per year, and have a further £1,270 in the bank. They will need to be earning £25.600.

How much do fruit and veg picker, care home staff and nurses earn? What happens if any Brits have a non British spouse?

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:	JackieH
	What happens if any Brits have a non British spouse?

Then you have to earn enough to support them, like here in Switzerland.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Priti Patel is celebrating her new points based system. People coming to the UK legally from now on will have to pay an application fee ranging from £610 to £1,408, an extra healthcare surcharge of £624 per year, and have a further £1,270 in the bank. They will need to be earning £25.600. How much do fruit and veg picker, care home staff and nurses earn? What happens if any Brits have a non British spouse?

Looks a lot easier than coming to CH as a 3rd country national. The idea is not to have to give social benefits to new arrivals, no doubt they got the idea from Switzerland

[JackieH]

Last time a good friend from EF had to return to UK with his non EU wife, he could not as he was unable to secure a job earning more than 18.500 before returning. So a massive hike since then.

(fortunately his non EU wife got a really good job with a big Brewery, and was able to take him back to his native UK on her wage).

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	JackieH
	When furlough stops, more jobs are lost by the bucket load and people are homeless as they lose rent protection- farming, fishing, and most industries down the tube, from one end of spectrum to t'other (financial services too) - the **** will truly hit the fan. The Covid/Brexit combo is diabolical. People will 'vote' one way or another- be it in the streets or in the ballot box.

	Quote:	JackieH
	just wait a couple more months for it to be seen in all its glory and be fully operative, and the above mentioned things to happen.

I think it's quite sad that you feel this way, to have such little faith in your own country. I assure you though, this question has been resolved for a generation and there won't be another vote in our lifetimes.

[bwkranger]

I think the biggest issue I would have with this is that someday I'd like to go back to UK with my partner. We aren't married but live together with kids. It essentially makes moving back to UK impossible for my family. It seems to me the policy harshly impacts UK's own citizens. Besides this it hardly seems flexible to have a stupid annual salary threshold especially when the UK economy is going to need plenty of skilled workers who would earn less than the annual amount.

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I think it's quite sad correct that you feel this way, to have such little faith in your own country politicians. I assure you though, this question has been resolved for a generation and there won't be another vote in our lifetimes.

ftfy
Looks like this generation will be very much shorter than the usual 30 years.

[RufusB]

	Quote:	JackieH
	Priti Patel is celebrating her new points based system. People coming to the UK legally from now on will have to pay an application fee ranging from £610 to £1,408, an extra healthcare surcharge of £624 per year, and have a further £1,270 in the bank. They will need to be earning £25.600. How much do fruit and veg picker, care home staff and nurses earn? What happens if any Brits have a non British spouse?

Non-EU have had to pay an NHS surcharge for years so I suppose it's bringing the same regs in for everyone. My US friend has been married to a British guy for 20 years and they have 3 kids but she still has to pay until eligible for citizenship.

That salary is above the starting salary for a lot of jobs. An NQT pips it by a whopping £114. Police and nursing starting salaries fall short by a couple of grand.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I think it's quite sad that you feel this way, to have such little faith in your own country. I assure you though, this question has been resolved for a generation and there won't be another vote in our lifetimes.

I don't think I'm going to take your word for it. This situation is nowhere near resolved. They're just trying to paper over the cracks.

	Quote:	bwkranger
	I think the biggest issue I would have with this is that someday I'd like to go back to UK with my partner. We aren't married but live together with kids. It essentially makes moving back to UK impossible for my family. It seems to me the policy harshly impacts UK's own citizens. Besides this it hardly seems flexible to have a stupid annual salary threshold especially when the UK economy is going to need plenty of skilled workers who would earn less than the annual amount.

It'd not impossible but, depending on income/resources and profession, it has got a lot harder post-Brexit. But it was always going to be thus.

[JackieH]

As for the border between UK and EU- anyone with a couple of brain cells realised a long way ago the NI situation was going to be more than very difficult- but just impossible to solve. BTW Johnson even before he became PM, was totally aware that this was impossible- but he wanted 'Brexit done' and, realising this was in the way, he went ahead and ignored it- and it has, as predicted very clearly by all experts and, as said above, anyone with a modicum of intelligence, that it would come back to haunt him.

I would be interested in knowing from our resident Brexiters what solutions, viable, and which will not result in bloodshed- they would envisage to solve this one? Thanks.

[marton]

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	Amsterdam has overtaken London as Europe’s top share trading hub with a fourfold increase in business in January, An average of €9.2bn in shares a day were traded on the Amsterdam Amsterdam Euronext, CBOE Europe and Turquoise exchanges in January, and that is four times the December 2020 total. In London, by contrast, volumes fell to €8.6bn.

Meanwhile, the European Commission has closed the doors to shellfish imports from the UK as they say many are caught in Class B waters whereas the bloc only accepts them from Class A waters, the EU has told British fishermen they are indefinitely banned.
Many UK fishermen relied on shellfish and exporting to the EU.

Prior to Brexit, the shellfish were cleaned in the EU in special tanks before being eaten. Now the UK can only export if they have already been treated in purification plants, of course, there was no construction/preparation of sufficient plants.