The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	Pashosh
	This system allowed for a leader who isn't supported by many of the MPs, bypassing the party. The weakness is obvious.

I know, it's delicious isn't it? Ed Miliband's parting gift could end up destroying the party

However whilst weak, you cannot argue it isn't fair

	Quote:
	That's not a weakness Pashosh, it is Ides of March levels of treachery from ambitious MPs, sabotaging the will of their own membership. The party is a shambles because of this - less seats in Scotland than the Tories - they might as well pack it in up there and save the money they use renting offices.

1. The membership (anyone who paid 3£) is not the same as voters who put the MP in parliament, on a very different platform.

2. Brexit is THE subject for the next elections. Corbyn has been ambivalent about it until now.

[porsch1909]

	Quote:	Pashosh
	1. The membership (anyone who paid 3£) is not the same as voters who put the MP in parliament, on a very different platform. 2. Brexit is THE subject for the next elections. Corbyn has been ambivalent about it until now.

AND he's an antisemite I heard. Did you hear about that?

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	blueangel
	also worth remembering that according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/referendums_in_germany referendums are legal in germany since a while.

ftfy

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	Pashosh
	Brexit is THE subject for the next elections. Corbyn has been ambivalent about it until now.

The next French, Dutch, German, Italian elections

Hopefully Brexit will have already taken place before the 2020 UK elections...

	Quote:	porsch1909
	AND he's an antisemite I heard. Did you hear about that?

Corbyn's Antisemite friends & sympathies were already discussed. It seems that his followers in "momentum" don't see this as a problem:

"Jess Phillips said she had faced antisemitic abuse since stepping down, tweeting a Momentum email that accused her of being bought by “Zionist money”."

[porsch1909]

	Quote:	Pashosh
	Corbyn's Antisemite friends & sympathies were already discussed. It seems that his followers in "momentum" don't see this as a problem: "Jess Phillips said she had faced antisemitic abuse since stepping down, tweeting a Momentum email that accused her of being bought by “Zionist money”."

[marton]

	Quote:	curley
	After living amongst English speaking people for 42 years now I'm beginning to wonder if I should go take English-lessons as to me Phil_MCR's post was clearly meant sarcastically.

And so was my reply "meant sarcastically"

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	porsch1909
	AND he's an antisemite I heard. Did you hear about that?

Just yesterday I was thinking "There's something missing in this Brexit thing"

[marton]

	Quote:	lewton
	If I was the EU and the British government begged me to let them stay because they don't want to respect the British people's will, I would make them do a second referendum first. Otherwise it would be very easy for any populist all over Europe to say that the EU does not respect the will of the people. The political cost of not respecting the will of the people should fall completely on the British government, whoever it is.

Legally Britain is a full EU member until they invoke article 50; so they do not have to ask anybody.

If the British Govt. don't want to respect the British people's will that is no problem legally and there is already the Greek precedent about the austerity referendum.

"the EU does not respect the will of the people" Nothing to do with the EU, they cannot force countries to leave regardless of how the countries people vote.

Boris is only interested in becoming PM; as soon as he succeeds then Brexit will be conveniently forgotten.

[porsch1909]

	Quote:	JagWaugh
	Just yesterday I was thinking "There's something missing in this Brexit thing"

Why else do you think Pashosh is in this thread?

[Uncle Max]

	Quote:	Faltrad
	From what I've understood, this is just a show. The real work is done behind the scene in a more civilized manner. The danger of that system is of course that people watching that in the media mistake this for the real political work. But when the journalists are not there, they all like each other as gentlemen and ladies. Dear Brits, did I get that wrong? Open to being corrected, no problem. I might be naively optimistic about your country men in politics.

Ever worked with special advisors? Time for some Tucker

Totally safe for work, that vid.

[Castro]

	Quote:	Pashosh
	2. Brexit is THE subject for the next elections. Corbyn has been ambivalent about it until now.

Corbyn has a long history of euro-scepticism going back to 1970s, so when people voted for him that should have been abundantly clear. And anyway he wasn't the face of Labour's Remain campaign for precisely that reason, Alan Johnson was, so to attack him now for a lacklustre Remain performance is disingenuous.

Its like putting the Archbishop of Canterbury on the London Gay Pride planning committee and then criticising his lack of enthusiasm

i am so sorry for the British people from now one they'll have to stand in line behind Bosnians Albanians Tajikistani etc...

[marton]

Pat Glass, who was appointed shadow education secretary yesterday, has announced that she will stand down at the next election
It is difficult to keep track of who is responsible for what and for how long!

[marton]

Corbyn has lost no confidence motion by 172 votes to 40 according to early reports

[Kosti]

With the pound dropping in value by 9%, the NET contribution to the EU budget, which is in euros, just went up accordingly.

Cant Farage trigger A50 by himself?

[porsch1909]

	Quote:	Castro
	Corbyn has a long history of euro-scepticism going back to 1970s, so when people voted for him that should have been abundantly clear. And anyway he wasn't the face of Labour's Remain campaign for precisely that reason, Alan Johnson was, so to attack him now for a lacklustre Remain performance is disingenuous. Its like putting the Archbishop of Canterbury on the London Gay Pride planning committee and then criticising his lack of enthusiasm

So you're saying when he said he supported the UK staying in the EU he was lying?

[marton]

	Quote:	FuriousRose
	Ah George Soros! You'd think that this would not have happened, had he not said (read: speculated) it. Look what happened in the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997

Seems he made a few millions betting Deutsche bank shares would fall after Brexit

[Fish Paste]

	Quote:	marton
	Pat Glass, who was appointed shadow education secretary yesterday, has announced that she will stand down at the next election It is difficult to keep track of who is responsible for what and for how long!

The opposition are responsible for nothing in any case.

Won't anyone think of the children!