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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 18.02.2021, 16:20
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But the bit of DUP logic that really cracks me up: we can’t sign a statutory declaration giving up our right to Irish citizenship because it represents recognition of the Irish state... but signing a passport application for a constituent for the passport of a state you don’t recognize is acceptable.
I may be mistaken of course, but it's the first time I hear the DUP doesn't recognize the Irish state.

What they don't recognize is the sovereignty of the Irish State over NI.

That is a totally different matter.
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Old 18.02.2021, 16:59
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I may be mistaken of course, but it's the first time I hear the DUP doesn't recognize the Irish state.

What they don't recognize is the sovereignty of the Irish State over NI.

That is a totally different matter.
You have a lot to learn...
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Old 18.02.2021, 18:28
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Ulster Unionists will never ever get an Irish Passport- even if they are entitled to them.
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Old 18.02.2021, 18:34
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Ulster Unionists will never ever get an Irish Passport- even if they are entitled to them.
Only those who like Spanish holidays...
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Old 18.02.2021, 20:28
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Ulster Unionists will never ever get an Irish Passport- even if they are entitled to them.
Apply for Irish passport if you can, advises DUP MP Ian Paisley

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Mr Paisley, who campaigned strongly with the DUP for a Leave result, surprised many on Twitter when he wrote: "My advice is if you are entitled to a second passport then take one.

"I sign off lots of applications for constituents."
Even Sammy has admitted he is signing applications for members....
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Old 20.02.2021, 10:47
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British flower and ornamental plant growers have warned that after Brexit, millions of flowers will not be harvested this year, initially daffodils, because plans to accept foreign farmworkers did not include the billion-pound sector.
When will somebody post Brexit good news?
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Old 21.02.2021, 00:00
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Holyhead port is the second-largest roll-on roll-off port in the UK, formerly carrying around 1,200 lorries and trailers across the Irish Sea every day. Activity in Holyhead is down over 50%, while in Fishguard it is down by 75% as freight travels directly from Ireland to mainland EU instead of over Britain.

Stena Line, which runs Holyhead port, announced earlier this month that it will move its passenger and vehicle ferry Stena Estrid from Holyhead to create a new weekend service between Dublin and Cherbourg.
They really need to improve the UK/EU goods handling.
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Old 21.02.2021, 00:21
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When will somebody post Brexit good news?

You'd think our Brexiter colleagues here would be delighted to rub it in somehow- but nothing, surprisingly
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Old 21.02.2021, 02:40
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"You'd think our Brexiter colleagues here would be delighted to rub it in somehow- but nothing, surprisingly "

Mumble mumble... something about vaccines... mumble mumble...

(I'm waiting to be enlightened too.)


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Old 21.02.2021, 09:56
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"You'd think our Brexiter colleagues here would be delighted to rub it in somehow- but nothing, surprisingly "

Mumble mumble... something about vaccines... mumble mumble...

(I'm waiting to be enlightened too.)


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Remove the mumble mumble and you've hit the nail on the head. The most important issue this year. By far. The EUs handling has been a "fiasco". Guy Verhofstadts words not mine. https://euobserver.com/stakeholders/150931.

Here's what the unelectable Lib Dem's had to say about the issue - "The government must put people's lives before politics and join the EU's vaccine scheme." Will they apologise and admit they were speaking rubbish and that they were the ones risking lives? No they won't.

We now have the freedom to diverge and more things will come up over time that we can judge brexit on. It's a medium to long term project. I'm surprised that there's already been such a huge benefit in the first few months tbh. I expected these first few months to be full of teething difficulties without much benefit.

Let's see where UK gdp growth is by 2025 or 2030 compared to Germany, France, Italy and Spain. (Or just look at 2021 growth if you prefer!)

The reality is we Brexiteers are delighted to have got rid of the commission and basically are very happy. I don't want my country to be governed by an undemocratic bunch of protectionist technocrats. Europe's economic performance has been very poor for a long time compared to other developed western countries so objectively they've done badly.

I think overall I'm not going to convince you and you aren't going to convince me.

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Old 21.02.2021, 10:28
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Europe's economic performance has been very poor for a long time compared to other developed western countries.

I'm not going to convince you and you aren't going to convince me.
Maybe because they count all countries - those that have a very poor economic performance (reasons - non-existent foreign or European investments, brain drain, labour shortage/drain) and those that are doing very well. Overall performance is low(er), of course.
So if you look at Germany, for instance, they're on par with everyone else. Too bad that after they imported a few millions refugees they still need Eastern Europeans to do those jobs that nobody wants. Meanwhile, some sectors in EE are declining due to exactly the same reasons only in reverse.
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Old 21.02.2021, 10:44
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Maybe because they count all countries - those that have a very poor economic performance (reasons - non-existent foreign or European investments, brain drain, labour shortage/drain) and those that are doing very well. Overall performance is low(er), of course.
So if you look at Germany, for instance, they're on par with everyone else. Too bad that after they imported a few millions refugees they still need Eastern Europeans to do those jobs that nobody wants. Meanwhile, some sectors in EE are declining due to exactly the same reasons only in reverse.
Eastern Europe generally has the strongest growth rates (if you exclude Ireland as their growth rate is essentially not a real one due to their tax haven activities). Unsurprising really.

I have no idea why Romania and Bulgaria etc. joined as FMOP was always going to be a complete disaster in terms of losing many of their best workers. And being saddled with an overlly strong currency. Their growth rates, although comparatively high are largely worse than before joining (at least if you exclude the period around the fall of the Soviet Union).

My main worry post brexit is that Immigration falls on a permanent basis. Not that this is in any way an inevitable result of Brexit but because of political pressure from brexiteers (who I largely disagree with on the issue). If I lose my bet above on economic growth rates it'll be because Germany has a more immigrant friendly approach than the UK. I don't want FMOP as I don't believe in discrimination based on where you come from but I do want a generally pro immigration position.

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I don't want my country to be governed by an undemocratic bunch of protectionist technocrats.

You think the UK was governed by Brussels?
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I thought UK had to accept most EU laws, the EU even wanted to the UK to keep those laws after leaving
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I thought UK had to accept most EU laws
You don’t mean those Terrible, Terrible EU laws that the UK had a role in developing, fine tuning and adopting in the Parliament, the Commission and the Council?
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If you want to export stuff to other countries- you have to accept their norms and standards, simple. Or you don't- and the markets close to you. simple. And a level playing field, so your own producers, workers, etc, etc- do not suffer from massive undercutting, be it in rights, salaries, jobs and also product safety, husbandry and bio security, and so much more.
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If you want to export stuff to other countries- you have to accept their norms and standards, simple. Or you don't- and the markets close to you. simple.
Not talking about exports, things like the 'level playing field', protectionism for inefficient countries. EU is about 16% of world trade, plenty of scope with the other 84%.
For online purchases buying in the USA is now often cheaper for Brits than buying from the EU, I used to order German made car parts for my Porsche from the USA when I lived in Switzerland, it was the cheapest source after shipping & tax.
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You think the UK was governed by Brussels?
In part.
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No but he likes to pretent the House of Lords and the Monarchy don't exist.
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Being ruled by Murdoch, Bannon and all, isn't very palatable at all. Give me EU with our representatives at the top table to form and influence decisions.
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