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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 23.02.2021, 13:43
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Weren't they free to set up offices before? What's the rush?

Reminded me of something I read a while ago - UK is actively encouraging entrepreneurs in IT to set up business there. It is laughable to have opportunities and financial stimulants in the UK post-Brexit and not everywhere in the EU if you decide to. Unsere Ursula sleeps tight.
They thought the UK did not matter to the EU! Clearly as the UK will exit COVID restrictions fairly shortly due to the vaccine. They have woken up to the fact that the UK has an unfair advantage.
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They thought the UK did not matter to the EU! Clearly as the UK will exit COVID restrictions fairly shortly due to the vaccine. They have woken up to the fact that the UK has an unfair advantage.
Fairly shortly? You haven’t been paying attention.
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Old 23.02.2021, 17:30
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They thought the UK did not matter to the EU! Clearly as the UK will exit COVID restrictions fairly shortly due to the vaccine. They have woken up to the fact that the UK has an unfair advantage.
Why would it even be considered "unfair"?
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Old 23.02.2021, 17:32
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Why?
Why what, why can't become G. a nuclear power? Because history, and because public opinion (domestic as well as in the rest of the developed world) wouldn't allow it.

The WW2 winner nations have successfully managed to demonise G.'s past while sweeping their own genocides and other comparably horrible atrocities under the carpet.
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Old 23.02.2021, 17:39
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Why what, why can't become G. a nuclear power? Because history, and because public opinion (domestic as well as in the rest of the developed world) wouldn't allow it.

The WW2 winner nations have successfully managed to demonise G.'s past while sweeping their own genocides and other comparably horrible atrocities under the carpet.
Ok. Well, demonizing Germany was deserved, but using it to fake their innocence as per other attrocities (pawning CZ to Hitler 1st and then letting Stalin fake "freeing" CZ and later annex) and their own domestic shinenigans were indeed cr÷p. The carpet rot away though and stuff comes out, hence the lack of trust towards the EU. I think public opinion in Germany might not be so firm, it gets manipulated left and right.
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Old 23.02.2021, 17:52
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Weren't they free to set up offices before? What's the rush?

Reminded me of something I read a while ago - UK is actively encouraging entrepreneurs in IT to set up business there. It is laughable to have opportunities and financial stimulants in the UK post-Brexit and not everywhere in the EU if you decide to. Unsere Ursula sleeps tight.
Before Brexit, EU firms could do business in the UK without physical offices there.
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Old 23.02.2021, 18:40
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1000 EU Finance firms to set up offices in the UK. Sounds like a benefit to me
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56...A7t3kVNPhPZj9I
Having permission (once granted) to do business isn't the same as actually setting up shop. An address may do.
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Old 23.02.2021, 20:17
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Why what, why can't become G. a nuclear power? Because history, and because public opinion (domestic as well as in the rest of the developed world) wouldn't allow it.

The WW2 winner nations have successfully managed to demonise G.'s past while sweeping their own genocides and other comparably horrible atrocities under the carpet.
I think Germany had also done extremely well marketing itself as a peaceful nation you can trust and do business with and whose foreign policy is essentially business oriented , and which considers its own army a joke .

I don’t think anybody in Germany would wish for it to be otherwise .

Nor anybody else in Europe .

It’s just that the German government doesn’t understand that being the official nice guy is not a blank check to be allowed to force your will on others
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Old 23.02.2021, 23:01
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I think Germany had also done extremely well marketing itself as a peaceful nation you can trust and do business with and whose foreign policy is essentially business oriented , and which considers its own army a joke .
No doubt. It may help to keep in mind that countries have no friends, just interests and temporary allies.

Just to clarify, I'm not saying Germany's demonisation is unwarranted. But they're not the only ones, for these countries Germany's a convenient scapegoat.
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I don’t think anybody in Germany would wish for it to be otherwise .

Nor anybody else in Europe .

It’s just that the German government doesn’t understand that being the official nice guy is not a blank check to be allowed to force your will on others
That's the $64k question, was it misinterpretation or a test balloon? You may remember Peter Struck's claim that "Germany's security is also defended at the Hindukush" from almost two decades ago. You can't be Mr Nice Guy if you want to exert power (the US are a good example, also WRT washing over misdeeds). Unless Germany takes the route to real military power, the EU and Europe will remain subordinate to the US, and the EU will lack the power to actively counter Russia or foster peace.

I'm fine with the status quo, and I don't think a German power grab would be good for us. Switzerland's been faring quite well since abandoning France as their domineering force and becoming what is in many ways a US subordinate.
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Switzerland's been faring quite well since abandoning France as their domineering force and becoming what is in many ways a US subordinate.


You're talking ancient history here. It's been a few years since Napoleon dropped by and a lot has happened since then, including other "domineering" influences!
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Old 24.02.2021, 00:42
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That's the $64k question, was it misinterpretation or a test balloon? You may remember Peter Struck's claim that "Germany's security is also defended at the Hindukush" from almost two decades ago. You can't be Mr Nice Guy if you want to exert power (the US are a good example, also WRT washing over misdeeds).
I think in that particular situation, Germany's hand was forced. You can't go around picking up the lucrative contracts and basking in peace while other nations send their sons to be killed defending that peace. So Germany basically had no choice but to actually have some token involvement at an actual theatre of war. Either that, or Germany's leaders were not willing to take on that particular argument and explain why they weren't doing it. Which would have taken some actual chutzpah. But they found it easier to send a token bunch of soldiers. There was no real leadership there and no real strategy. A bit like the Eu really.

It was ironic that it was a government involving the super pacifist and super anti-military Greens that actually signed that one off.
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I'm fine with the status quo, and I don't think a German power grab would be good for us. Switzerland's been faring quite well since abandoning France as their domineering force and becoming what is in many ways a US subordinate.
No Urs Max you've got it wrong because the definitive history of Switzerland, as told by Jacob Rees-Mogg
& the ERG is that Switzerland became a vassal state of the EU, thanks to Switzerland's trading relationship
with the EU through EFTA, the ECJ ( European Court of Justice ) being the final & binding arbiter in disputes
between the EU & Switzerland & thus becoming an EU rule taker rather than a rule maker.


Anyway that´s Moggys opinion on the matter.

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You're talking ancient history here. It's been a few years since Napoleon dropped by and a lot has happened since then, including other "domineering" influences!
What's the Lateinische Münzunion? Who controls the money controls the economy.
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It was ironic that it was a government involving the super pacifist and super anti-military Greens that actually signed that one off.
Very much so. Do you remember if there was a UN mandate? I seem to remember that there was none.
Lack of one would have made it an act of aggression, and turned the Bundeswehr from a defending force to an attacking one.
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Before Brexit, EU firms could do business in the UK without physical offices there.
Then good for them if they decided to open offices there. London is/still will be an important financial centre so why shouldn't they?
I think the biggest challenge for UK (and to a lesser extent for EU too, because it was never as polarised and vitriolic there) will be to get out of this war mentality and continue to collaborate and to maintain economic relations. I wonder how will that be possible if even prestigious political analysts are commenting along the line of UK being treated unfairly? Which is only true if you truly believe UK should be given what they want, always and under all conditions. As if it's their natural right.
I would also expect the tabloid press to move on onto other, more urgent subjects . Did Kate wear the proper hat? Was William happy to see the Queen? etc etc etc. Brexit is over, the us vs. them mentality should be replaced by a more mature and well balanced "phase" at one point or another. People were constantly told whom they should hate, OK, we've seen how efficient that was, now they got what they wanted time to move on.
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Why would it even be considered "unfair"?
Because they are so woke.
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To answer JackieH looking for a benefit, her UK pension will go further than it did in December.

The pound is now the best performing G10 currency against the dollar so far this year. Analyst at Bank of America said the currency was being buoyed by a "perfect storm" of factors: a resolution to Brexit; an impressive rollout of COVID-19 vaccines; and inflation fears in the US, which are denting the dollar.
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So from the 1st of October I’ll need to take my Swiss or Irish passport if I want to fly to the UK, on the other hand I could just fly to Dublin with my Swiss ID and catch local flight to the UK instead unchecked...

This taking back control is great crack although!

It seems our school’s English trip next year, assuming it goes ahead of course, will go to Ireland instead of the traditional one to Brighton.
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Anyone taken notice of the £? Ten raps up since 1st Jan!

'ava a Great Sumerly day y'all

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So from the 1st of October I’ll need to take my Swiss or Irish passport if I want to fly to the UK, on the other hand I could just fly to Dublin with my Swiss ID and catch local flight to the UK instead unchecked...

This taking back control is great crack although!

It seems our school’s English trip next year, assuming it goes ahead of course, will go to Ireland instead of the traditional one to Brighton.
How onerous would it be to take your Swiss or Irish passport if you needed to fly to the UK? Seems more convenient than taking two flights via Dublin? Sorry Jim, I'm not seeing your point. Or are you unhappy that the UK agreed to retain the special travel arrangements that it's long had with Ireland? My Irish relatives regard that as a welcome benefit, and not as any disadvantage. Apart from that special arrangement, travelling to the UK from Switzerland or from within the EU shouldn't be any more inconvenient than it is flying to any other non-EU country. People go on about the need to stand in a queue at the airport but being outside Schengen, that's always been a possibility (not always invoked) for Brits when flying into CH / the EU -- and vice versa. It's not a big deal, don't worry.

Not entirely sure what this has to do with the school trip. I'm sure they'll have a great time wherever they end up.
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So from the 1st of October I’ll need to take my Swiss or Irish passport if I want to fly to the UK, on the other hand I could just fly to Dublin with my Swiss ID and catch local flight to the UK instead unchecked...

This taking back control is great crack although!

It seems our school’s English trip next year, assuming it goes ahead of course, will go to Ireland instead of the traditional one to Brighton.
I was talking with my OH the other day and we both felt a bit sorry we didn't visit a lot of places we would have liked to see in UK and it would be really crazy to start doing it now when everything will be more complicated. (but that would be typical us, always choosing the most difficult path so to speak)
Funnily enough, since you've mentioned Brighton, that's one place we did visit some years ago. Very, very nice. Ireland is also beautiful, I would never feel sorry if I had to spend my holidays there.
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